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<blockquote data-quote="Hypersmurf" data-source="post: 3162953" data-attributes="member: 1656"><p>I personally read the statement in the description of shields as restrictive.</p><p></p><p>"Shield Bash Attacks: You can bash an opponent with a heavy shield, using it as an off-hand weapon. See Table X: Weapons for the damage dealt by a shield bash."</p><p></p><p>To me, this states that a shield used to attack is used as an off-hand weapon, taking a -4 to attack rolls and adding half Str bonus to damage, whether you're right- or left-handed, whether you're using one or two weapons, etc. Its inclusion in the weapons table isn't to say "The heavy shield is a one-handed weapon like any other one-handed weapon"; it's so that when the entry under the shield says "See the Weapons table", there's something there. But unless you're bashing an opponent with a shield, using it as an off-hand weapon, the damage (etc) listed on the table is inapplicable.</p><p></p><p>Iku Rex takes the opposite position - that the heavy shield is a one-handed weapon, and that it can be used like any other one-handed weapon (a longsword, say)... and that the entry under Shield Bash Attacks is permissive, rather than restrictive - it says you can use it as an off-hand weapon, but doesn't say you <em>can't</em> use it as a primary weapon.</p><p></p><p>For what it's worth, the Main FAQ agrees with him:</p><p><strong>Can a character make a shield bash attack using the</strong></p><p><strong>shield as a primary weapon or can it be used only as an offhand</strong></p><p><strong>weapon?</strong></p><p></p><p><em>While the rules describe a shield bash as an off-hand</em></p><p><em>weapon, that’s simply an assumption (that your primary hand is</em></p><p><em>holding a weapon). There’s nothing stopping you from</em></p><p><em>declaring your shield bash as your primary weapon. Of course,</em></p><p><em>that means that any attack you make with your other hand</em></p><p><em>becomes a secondary weapon.</em></p><p></p><p>-Hyp.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hypersmurf, post: 3162953, member: 1656"] I personally read the statement in the description of shields as restrictive. "Shield Bash Attacks: You can bash an opponent with a heavy shield, using it as an off-hand weapon. See Table X: Weapons for the damage dealt by a shield bash." To me, this states that a shield used to attack is used as an off-hand weapon, taking a -4 to attack rolls and adding half Str bonus to damage, whether you're right- or left-handed, whether you're using one or two weapons, etc. Its inclusion in the weapons table isn't to say "The heavy shield is a one-handed weapon like any other one-handed weapon"; it's so that when the entry under the shield says "See the Weapons table", there's something there. But unless you're bashing an opponent with a shield, using it as an off-hand weapon, the damage (etc) listed on the table is inapplicable. Iku Rex takes the opposite position - that the heavy shield is a one-handed weapon, and that it can be used like any other one-handed weapon (a longsword, say)... and that the entry under Shield Bash Attacks is permissive, rather than restrictive - it says you can use it as an off-hand weapon, but doesn't say you [i]can't[/i] use it as a primary weapon. For what it's worth, the Main FAQ agrees with him: [b]Can a character make a shield bash attack using the shield as a primary weapon or can it be used only as an offhand weapon?[/b] [i]While the rules describe a shield bash as an off-hand weapon, that’s simply an assumption (that your primary hand is holding a weapon). There’s nothing stopping you from declaring your shield bash as your primary weapon. Of course, that means that any attack you make with your other hand becomes a secondary weapon.[/i] -Hyp. [/QUOTE]
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