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Message: <blockquote data-quote="werk" data-source="post: 3415203" data-attributes="member: 29663">So all the recent talk about unarmed combat has me rethinking a character concept I had.  Basically he's a ranger that uses a bastard sword in his main hand and punches with the off hand.  It gave a great image, I thought, especially for a low Cha, barrel chested, rough and tumble type of guy.Now I'm thinking, why waste a feat on bastard sword and instead just grab a two handed weapon...because unarmed strikes don't have to be punches and all the other benefits of a two-handed weapon.  But before I take it to my DM, I wanted to make sure I had everything worked out...Two Weapon Fighting[sblock]You can fight with a weapon in each hand. You can make one extra attack each round with the second weapon. PrerequisiteDex 15. BenefitYour penalties on attack rolls for fighting with two weapons are reduced. The penalty for your primary hand lessens by 2 and the one for your off hand lessens by 6. See the Two-Weapon Fighting special attack. NormalIf you wield a second weapon in your off hand, you can get one extra attack per round with that weapon. When fighting in this way you suffer a -6 penalty with your regular attack or attacks with your primary hand and a -10 penalty to the attack with your off hand. If your off-hand weapon is light the penalties are reduced by 2 each. (An unarmed strike is always considered light.) SpecialA 2nd-level ranger who has chosen the two-weapon combat style is treated as having Two-Weapon Fighting, even if he does not have the prerequisite for it, but only when he is wearing light or no armor.[/sblock]It clearly calls out weapons in hands and off-hand weapon rather than just secondary weapon.  So I couldn't do this using a two-handed weapon, but could with the bastard sword...and all my secondary attacks would be punches.Am I reading that right?  I'm not overly concerned because it looks like the RAW actually forces me into my original concept, but it would be nice to have a ranger that can deal some real melee damage without spending all my money on weapons and weapon enhancements.It makes sense that it could be a little overpowered, I guess, but it wouldn't apply to two weapon fighting with a two handed weapon and armor spikes, because the spikes specifically call out that they can be weilded as an off-hand weapon.  That seems like it is more easily overpowered than using unarmed strikes...and requires one less feat to achieve.</blockquote>

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