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<blockquote data-quote="Hypersmurf" data-source="post: 3280586" data-attributes="member: 1656"><p>I'm saying that we know from earlier text that you get <em>n</em> attacks in a round.</p><p></p><p>If you wield a second weapon in your off-hand, we can make that <em>n+1</em>.</p><p></p><p>And that if <em>the condition in the first sentence is fulfilled</em> - that is, if we are fighting 'in this way' - a penalty applies.</p><p></p><p>What is that condition? It's either 'you wield a second weapon in your off-hand', or 'you make an extra attack'.</p><p></p><p>By my reading, making an extra attack does not describe a 'way' of fighting. It's a benefit of a way of fighting. The way of fighting is using two weapons. So to me, the answer to 'What condition does "in this way" describe?" is 'You wield a second weapon in your off-hand'. Fighting in this way has a benefit - you can, if you so wish, make an extra attack.</p><p></p><p>It also has a drawback - you take a penalty on your attack rolls.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't think that (c) is necessarily 'in return for' (b).</p><p></p><p>The pattern is, rather: If you (a)______, you can (but need not) get (b)______. If the condition in the first sentence is met, the penalty (c)______ applies.</p><p></p><p>(c) is not definitively linked to (b); to me, by the PHB wording, it's more intuitively linked to (a), though that is not explicitly defined either.</p><p></p><p>-Hyp.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hypersmurf, post: 3280586, member: 1656"] I'm saying that we know from earlier text that you get [i]n[/i] attacks in a round. If you wield a second weapon in your off-hand, we can make that [i]n+1[/i]. And that if [i]the condition in the first sentence is fulfilled[/i] - that is, if we are fighting 'in this way' - a penalty applies. What is that condition? It's either 'you wield a second weapon in your off-hand', or 'you make an extra attack'. By my reading, making an extra attack does not describe a 'way' of fighting. It's a benefit of a way of fighting. The way of fighting is using two weapons. So to me, the answer to 'What condition does "in this way" describe?" is 'You wield a second weapon in your off-hand'. Fighting in this way has a benefit - you can, if you so wish, make an extra attack. It also has a drawback - you take a penalty on your attack rolls. I don't think that (c) is necessarily 'in return for' (b). The pattern is, rather: If you (a)______, you can (but need not) get (b)______. If the condition in the first sentence is met, the penalty (c)______ applies. (c) is not definitively linked to (b); to me, by the PHB wording, it's more intuitively linked to (a), though that is not explicitly defined either. -Hyp. [/QUOTE]
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