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Two Camps of 4e Players (a rant)
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<blockquote data-quote="ExploderWizard" data-source="post: 4946460" data-attributes="member: 66434"><p>Yes. The simple fact that the system is complex enough to really benefit from software use is a problem.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>This is actually a good thing IMHO. Newbies should be able to get right into playing without the effort of trying to master the rules. The DM and experienced players can handle that stuff. If the whole group is brand new then not knowing what you are doing is half the fun.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p>Relative to 3rd, yes. Relative to what I could crank out with notebook paper for BD&D or AD&D not so much.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p>I am comfortable saying that I rely on it completely to run. With the monster builder I was able to convert B2 KOTB in very little time. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p>The software is most certainly a crutch for me personally. Having played the game a while without any software help, the get out of it what you put in meme did not hold water. Noodling through all the modifiers for race,class,build, feats, and powers and hand writing all those effects was not worth it to spend 45 minutes fighting a few nameless goblin guards that <em>just would not die.</em> YMMV.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p>Perhaps, but then there was always the option of playing an uncomplicated fighter.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ExploderWizard, post: 4946460, member: 66434"] Yes. The simple fact that the system is complex enough to really benefit from software use is a problem. This is actually a good thing IMHO. Newbies should be able to get right into playing without the effort of trying to master the rules. The DM and experienced players can handle that stuff. If the whole group is brand new then not knowing what you are doing is half the fun. Relative to 3rd, yes. Relative to what I could crank out with notebook paper for BD&D or AD&D not so much. I am comfortable saying that I rely on it completely to run. With the monster builder I was able to convert B2 KOTB in very little time. :) The software is most certainly a crutch for me personally. Having played the game a while without any software help, the get out of it what you put in meme did not hold water. Noodling through all the modifiers for race,class,build, feats, and powers and hand writing all those effects was not worth it to spend 45 minutes fighting a few nameless goblin guards that [I]just would not die.[/I] YMMV. Perhaps, but then there was always the option of playing an uncomplicated fighter. [/QUOTE]
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