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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 6347350" data-attributes="member: 4937">I'm not sure it does.&nbsp; In fact, I'm certain that in and of itself, &quot;Warrior Mage&quot; tells you nothing important about who you are.gameprinter and myself have been bashing heads, largely because I think he doesn't get what I'm saying because I'm not sure we actually disagree over anything strongly.&nbsp; One area we agree quite well on is this statement:I'd actually go further than that.&nbsp; High charisma is not related to extraverted, boisterous, and good humored either.&nbsp; In fact, when thinking about who you are and then discovering that who you are also has low charisma, it could be easy to describe your extraverted, boisterous, good humor as precisely the reason that most people find you annoying and tend to dismiss you as someone who is dismissible as an airhead, a goof, a buffoon, who is lacking in all propriety and trivial.&nbsp;&nbsp; There is no reason necessarily to see low charisma as dour or reticent. On the other hand, neither do I think WYA and WCYD are completely separable 'apples and oranges' sort of things.&nbsp; I agree that people are likely to see them as wholly separate things, but that's probably as bad as seeing any one aspect of WCYD as implying something about WYA on a one to one and onto basis.&nbsp; That point of view creates a short list of very simplistic stereotypes rather than complex characters.&nbsp; But seeing them as apples and oranges I think creates the idea that there is no need to at some point rectify the two.&nbsp; If anyone really took that idea seriously, it would result in mostly characters you couldn't really believe in.&nbsp; Still, I think the confusion that WYA and WCYD are very tightly intertwined is more common in RPGs than the idea that they have no bearing on each other.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 6347350, member: 4937"] I'm not sure it does. In fact, I'm certain that in and of itself, "Warrior Mage" tells you nothing important about who you are. gameprinter and myself have been bashing heads, largely because I think he doesn't get what I'm saying because I'm not sure we actually disagree over anything strongly. One area we agree quite well on is this statement: I'd actually go further than that. High charisma is not related to extraverted, boisterous, and good humored either. In fact, when thinking about who you are and then discovering that who you are also has low charisma, it could be easy to describe your extraverted, boisterous, good humor as precisely the reason that most people find you annoying and tend to dismiss you as someone who is dismissible as an airhead, a goof, a buffoon, who is lacking in all propriety and trivial. There is no reason necessarily to see low charisma as dour or reticent. On the other hand, neither do I think WYA and WCYD are completely separable 'apples and oranges' sort of things. I agree that people are likely to see them as wholly separate things, but that's probably as bad as seeing any one aspect of WCYD as implying something about WYA on a one to one and onto basis. That point of view creates a short list of very simplistic stereotypes rather than complex characters. But seeing them as apples and oranges I think creates the idea that there is no need to at some point rectify the two. If anyone really took that idea seriously, it would result in mostly characters you couldn't really believe in. Still, I think the confusion that WYA and WCYD are very tightly intertwined is more common in RPGs than the idea that they have no bearing on each other. [/QUOTE]

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