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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 6350961" data-attributes="member: 4937"><p>No, gosh, no. Don't get me wrong. I am judging peoples statements. And I am asserting (it's not much of an insinuation) that I don't think all the poll answers are reliable. I don't expect them to think otherwise about those points.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>They should judgment my statements by whatever standards they think are appropriate. I expect but do not demand charitable attempts at understanding, but I do not expect that people wouldn't use their discernment and judgment when reading my words. That would be essential for actual understanding. It's rather silly to think that its possible not to be judged in that sense.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm sorry you found that unclear, but by that aside I meant that I wasn't going to judge the person (as a bad person) regardless of the answer they gave to the poll. If you say, "Heck yes, I prioritize WYCD", I'm not going to make the judgment, "Well, that makes you a bad RPer." If you say, "I always work out WYA", I'm not going to the make the judgment, "Well then, you are a member of the class of good persons." I'm going to inevitably be judging the statements people make, but in doing so they shouldn't think I'm passing judgment on them - least of all over a matter that is ultimately trivial.</p><p></p><p>Nonetheless, I think it inevitable that, in the larger context of how WYA/WYCD is generally presented in the RP community that people will think that WYCD is the 'wrong' answer, and WYA is the 'right' one. This was true well before the context I provided in my original post. And I hesitated to even put the 'both' option in the table, because I knew in doing so I'd only heighten the probability of unconscious bias even more. The more 'sophisticated' answer is invariably going be more appealing.</p><p></p><p>This isn't even really contentious. There are plenty of studies on polling and how people emotionally respond to different choices.</p><p></p><p>But even if that was unclear (or is still unclear), the entire logic of your statement falls apart on inspection because it doesn't have a logical cause and effect. Your assertion would imply that people were fudging the answers they gave to a poll based on a statement that wouldn't be made until after people answered the poll! The statement that I thought not all of the answers were fully reflective couldn't possibly have influenced the answers given prior to that point. Until I revealed my suspicion of bias, how could my suspicion of bias been influencing the polling?</p><p></p><p>I don't care in the slightest if people think that I am judging. So long as they don't mistake my thinking about poll answers implies some condemnation on them generally, or even that I'm suggesting there is only One True Gaming and that is WYA.</p><p></p><p>But ok, maybe you could assert my original post was judgmental. Fine, but to the extent that the post passes judgment on anyone, it passes judgment not on the players but on the game designers for having lagged in their techniques for WYA over WCYD. And I'd certainly fall under that condemnation, soft though it would be, myself, as I've done no better. And in any event, I didn't see a lot of people taking umbrage at the wording of the original post. I only got two 'you are way off base' votes, and none of those said, "You biased the freaking poll you judgmental monster!"</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 6350961, member: 4937"] No, gosh, no. Don't get me wrong. I am judging peoples statements. And I am asserting (it's not much of an insinuation) that I don't think all the poll answers are reliable. I don't expect them to think otherwise about those points. They should judgment my statements by whatever standards they think are appropriate. I expect but do not demand charitable attempts at understanding, but I do not expect that people wouldn't use their discernment and judgment when reading my words. That would be essential for actual understanding. It's rather silly to think that its possible not to be judged in that sense. I'm sorry you found that unclear, but by that aside I meant that I wasn't going to judge the person (as a bad person) regardless of the answer they gave to the poll. If you say, "Heck yes, I prioritize WYCD", I'm not going to make the judgment, "Well, that makes you a bad RPer." If you say, "I always work out WYA", I'm not going to the make the judgment, "Well then, you are a member of the class of good persons." I'm going to inevitably be judging the statements people make, but in doing so they shouldn't think I'm passing judgment on them - least of all over a matter that is ultimately trivial. Nonetheless, I think it inevitable that, in the larger context of how WYA/WYCD is generally presented in the RP community that people will think that WYCD is the 'wrong' answer, and WYA is the 'right' one. This was true well before the context I provided in my original post. And I hesitated to even put the 'both' option in the table, because I knew in doing so I'd only heighten the probability of unconscious bias even more. The more 'sophisticated' answer is invariably going be more appealing. This isn't even really contentious. There are plenty of studies on polling and how people emotionally respond to different choices. But even if that was unclear (or is still unclear), the entire logic of your statement falls apart on inspection because it doesn't have a logical cause and effect. Your assertion would imply that people were fudging the answers they gave to a poll based on a statement that wouldn't be made until after people answered the poll! The statement that I thought not all of the answers were fully reflective couldn't possibly have influenced the answers given prior to that point. Until I revealed my suspicion of bias, how could my suspicion of bias been influencing the polling? I don't care in the slightest if people think that I am judging. So long as they don't mistake my thinking about poll answers implies some condemnation on them generally, or even that I'm suggesting there is only One True Gaming and that is WYA. But ok, maybe you could assert my original post was judgmental. Fine, but to the extent that the post passes judgment on anyone, it passes judgment not on the players but on the game designers for having lagged in their techniques for WYA over WCYD. And I'd certainly fall under that condemnation, soft though it would be, myself, as I've done no better. And in any event, I didn't see a lot of people taking umbrage at the wording of the original post. I only got two 'you are way off base' votes, and none of those said, "You biased the freaking poll you judgmental monster!" [/QUOTE]
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