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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 6351993" data-attributes="member: 4937">I don't think I've called out anyone in particular on this.&nbsp; And dishonesty in the sense you mean it requires conscious attempts to deceive, which I don't believe is going on here.I'm just looking at the numbers skewing exactly the opposite of what I've seen in 30 years of gaming from dozens of players and going, &quot;Nope.&quot;&nbsp;&nbsp; I'm sure that there are a few people out there that could validly say that both was the best choice.&nbsp;&nbsp; Maybe you are one of them.&nbsp;&nbsp; Though in fact, your answer probably would have better been, &quot;You are way off base, and now I'm going to explain to you why.&quot;, followed by explaining that there was not an option for, &quot;Sometimes one and then sometimes the other.&quot;I knew both was a bad option to include.&nbsp; My mistake for putting it in.&nbsp; But I don't think removing it would have helped much, because we've only got 9 people claiming that when they create a character they think of powers and abilities they want the character to have first.&nbsp; All these people playing all these systems that prioritize crunch, and which even lead you through the chargen process WYCD first, and which barely have crunch for WYA, and yet they are all successfully bucking the ingrained thought pattern.&nbsp;&nbsp; And almost no one has challenged me with, &quot;What are you talking about?&nbsp; I think D&amp;D does challenge you to focus on the WYA of your character first!&nbsp;&nbsp; I mean, doesn't everyone do WYA first?&nbsp;&nbsp; Everyone in my group does WYA first.&nbsp; I've never met anyone that chooses his class and skills before writing his background or picking an alignment.&nbsp;&nbsp; That's weird.&nbsp; Everyone I've met writes a background and then uses the background as a template for the mechanics.&nbsp; Isn't that normal?&nbsp;&nbsp; How can you even create a character without a background?&nbsp; Think how weird it would be to show up with just a character sheet and no background.&nbsp; I mean LOL.&quot;Yet somehow these people prioritizing WYCD are in the tiny minority, as if everyone here had only been exposed to Monsters and other Childish Things, Fiasco, and My Life with Master and was on the far end of the thespian spectrum.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 6351993, member: 4937"] I don't think I've called out anyone in particular on this. And dishonesty in the sense you mean it requires conscious attempts to deceive, which I don't believe is going on here. I'm just looking at the numbers skewing exactly the opposite of what I've seen in 30 years of gaming from dozens of players and going, "Nope." I'm sure that there are a few people out there that could validly say that both was the best choice. Maybe you are one of them. Though in fact, your answer probably would have better been, "You are way off base, and now I'm going to explain to you why.", followed by explaining that there was not an option for, "Sometimes one and then sometimes the other." I knew both was a bad option to include. My mistake for putting it in. But I don't think removing it would have helped much, because we've only got 9 people claiming that when they create a character they think of powers and abilities they want the character to have first. All these people playing all these systems that prioritize crunch, and which even lead you through the chargen process WYCD first, and which barely have crunch for WYA, and yet they are all successfully bucking the ingrained thought pattern. And almost no one has challenged me with, "What are you talking about? I think D&D does challenge you to focus on the WYA of your character first! I mean, doesn't everyone do WYA first? Everyone in my group does WYA first. I've never met anyone that chooses his class and skills before writing his background or picking an alignment. That's weird. Everyone I've met writes a background and then uses the background as a template for the mechanics. Isn't that normal? How can you even create a character without a background? Think how weird it would be to show up with just a character sheet and no background. I mean LOL." Yet somehow these people prioritizing WYCD are in the tiny minority, as if everyone here had only been exposed to Monsters and other Childish Things, Fiasco, and My Life with Master and was on the far end of the thespian spectrum. [/QUOTE]

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