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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Zaruthustran" data-source="post: 1137569" data-attributes="member: 1457">What's more, the rules support this. There's nothing in the counter-disarm rules that say that you have to threaten the wielder on the counter.SRD: "If you fail on the disarm attempt, the defender may immediately react and attempt to disarm you with the same sort of opposed melee attack roll. "This does not say "the defender may immediately make a disarm attack against you." Instead of the defender making his own disarm attack, you just go back to Step 2 of the disarm rules:"Step 2: Opposed Rolls. You and the defender make opposed attack rolls with your respective weapons. The wielder of a two-handed weapon on a disarm attempt gets a +4 bonus on this roll, and the wielder of a light weapon takes a –4 penalty. (An unarmed strike is considered a light weapon, so you always take a penalty when trying to disarm an opponent by using an unarmed strike.) If the combatants are of different sizes, the larger combatant gets a bonus on the attack roll of +4 per difference in size category. If the targeted item isn’t a melee weapon, the defender takes a –4 penalty on the roll."Nothing in step 2 says you have to threaten your opponent. And the counterer is not making an attack or even an attack of opportunity; he's just repeating the opposed roll. The counter is part of the original attacker's action.-z</blockquote>