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<blockquote data-quote="Jefe Bergenstein" data-source="post: 4680170" data-attributes="member: 31506">Further proof you just expect your players to be telepathic. &quot;Guess what I'm thinking&quot; stopped being a fun gaming style back in junior high. Do you also require your players to tell you how exactly they summon forth mystical energies from some bat poo to cast fireball?&nbsp;You may as well just point at your players and assign some damage or equipment loss. You still get to deal your petty damage, but at least it saves game time from trying to guess whether or not someone should turn a door knob a half turn or a full turn, or whether or not looking under a rug will trigger a glyph of warding, or whether or not the lever was smeared with a special ontact poison that immediately travels up ropes. &nbsp;The Grimtooth books always struck me as designed for DM's who didnt have enough wit to figure out that A) it wasnt particularly hard to make the players &quot;lose&quot; and B) that's not really the point of being the DM. &nbsp;In my opinion, if a trap isnt sprung, it may as well have never existed. Random squares of dungeon shouldn't have pit traps in them. Chests shouldn't have a permanent &quot;sticks to snakes&quot; so anyone prodding them open ends up holding a cobra. Doors shouldn't have the world's tiniest banshee imprisoned in them, so anyone listening would get an earful of &quot;save or die&quot;. &nbsp;I greatly prefer the rube goldberg style machine traps, encounter traps, etc. Players should want to trigger them for the fun of getting out. Zinger traps are just lame.&nbsp;I find it amusing that the old guard so often pisses and monas about a loss of wonder, while at the same time guiding a style of play that rewards an anal retentive standard operating procedure for opening doors and where no one would dream of putting on a magic belt in the middle of a dungeon without first slugging down a wine, owl feathers and pearl-tini, lest their junk fall off.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Jefe Bergenstein, post: 4680170, member: 31506"] Further proof you just expect your players to be telepathic. "Guess what I'm thinking" stopped being a fun gaming style back in junior high. Do you also require your players to tell you how exactly they summon forth mystical energies from some bat poo to cast fireball? You may as well just point at your players and assign some damage or equipment loss. You still get to deal your petty damage, but at least it saves game time from trying to guess whether or not someone should turn a door knob a half turn or a full turn, or whether or not looking under a rug will trigger a glyph of warding, or whether or not the lever was smeared with a special ontact poison that immediately travels up ropes. The Grimtooth books always struck me as designed for DM's who didnt have enough wit to figure out that A) it wasnt particularly hard to make the players "lose" and B) that's not really the point of being the DM. In my opinion, if a trap isnt sprung, it may as well have never existed. Random squares of dungeon shouldn't have pit traps in them. Chests shouldn't have a permanent "sticks to snakes" so anyone prodding them open ends up holding a cobra. Doors shouldn't have the world's tiniest banshee imprisoned in them, so anyone listening would get an earful of "save or die". I greatly prefer the rube goldberg style machine traps, encounter traps, etc. Players should want to trigger them for the fun of getting out. Zinger traps are just lame. I find it amusing that the old guard so often pisses and monas about a loss of wonder, while at the same time guiding a style of play that rewards an anal retentive standard operating procedure for opening doors and where no one would dream of putting on a magic belt in the middle of a dungeon without first slugging down a wine, owl feathers and pearl-tini, lest their junk fall off. [/QUOTE]

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