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<blockquote data-quote="Propheous_D" data-source="post: 4191693" data-attributes="member: 58952">Correct me if I Am wrong but isn't 4E pretty much removing the whole idea of the skill monkey?Also, while this work through metagaming, its not that easy to pull off through RP unless the skills come up repeatedly in competitions. Your party will eventually get into a state of &quot;oh I think we should ask bob becuase he knows everything about nature&quot; or &quot;I think Alex could make a jump to the top of the wall&quot;, but it doesn't happen overnight. I don't have a sheet that says I am better then you at this and you are 10% better then me at that. I do have my strong points though and I do use them like anyone else.I would also say that given the flavour and the spirit of 3E vs 4E your attitude of min/max and 10% difference is in the favour of 3E. 4E while it can never get away from your logical arguements, it can present a different package were those goals while valid, may not need to apply. Failing is not all ways a bad thing. Figuring that out is the first step to really enjoying Role-Playing.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Propheous_D, post: 4191693, member: 58952"] Correct me if I Am wrong but isn't 4E pretty much removing the whole idea of the skill monkey? Also, while this work through metagaming, its not that easy to pull off through RP unless the skills come up repeatedly in competitions. Your party will eventually get into a state of "oh I think we should ask bob becuase he knows everything about nature" or "I think Alex could make a jump to the top of the wall", but it doesn't happen overnight. I don't have a sheet that says I am better then you at this and you are 10% better then me at that. I do have my strong points though and I do use them like anyone else. I would also say that given the flavour and the spirit of 3E vs 4E your attitude of min/max and 10% difference is in the favour of 3E. 4E while it can never get away from your logical arguements, it can present a different package were those goals while valid, may not need to apply. Failing is not all ways a bad thing. Figuring that out is the first step to really enjoying Role-Playing. [/QUOTE]

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