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<blockquote data-quote="hbarsquared" data-source="post: 4205413" data-attributes="member: 4550">Or not even playing D&amp;D at all, and having a group of friends making up stories in their living room.&nbsp; The point is, if your entire goal is simply to tell a story, you don't need D&amp;D at all, any edition.&nbsp; The goal of D&amp;D is to tell a story via a framework with dice rolls.&nbsp; 3E was the first real attempt to do so outside of combat.&nbsp; 4E actually does it well.The rules did forbid multiple uses of certain skills.Sure, but I don't see everyone participating.&nbsp; I see the one +53 Diplomacy character rolling five times.Same thing.&nbsp; The rogue with the highest skill modifier rolls Open Lock 3 (or more) times.Yes, you narrate the whole thing instead of rolling.&nbsp; That's fine, but not D&amp;D.&nbsp; The point is that the 4E skill system interacts with all players on a mechanical basis where 3E and previous editions did not.And neither am I saying that.&nbsp; I would hazard that some differences between a &quot;game&quot; and a &quot;story&quot; are (1) a random element, and (2) codified turns.&nbsp; If you all want to sit around a table narrating a skill challenge, fine.&nbsp; It's not D&amp;D, it's not a game: it's telling a story.&nbsp; D&amp;D is a game, for which I appreciate a mechanical system that does not solely depend on DM fiat, just as I appreciate a mechanical system for combat (since D&amp;D has existed) that does not depend solely on DM fiat.What is the code for the <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f644.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":rolleyes:" title="Roll eyes&nbsp; &nbsp; :rolleyes:"&nbsp; data-smilie="11"data-shortname=":rolleyes:" /> icon?!?!...exactly.&nbsp; A couple lines in the DMG saying only to the effect, &quot;You can give XP if you want as a story reward&quot; doesn't cut it.&nbsp; &quot;Matching a story award to the difficulty&quot; is intrinsically more helpful.Also (partially) true: part of the reason why I like the 4E skill challenge system is how it sork with the rest of the 4E mechanic.Only if you are pretending to use &quot;rules&quot; as the basis for non-combat encounters.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="hbarsquared, post: 4205413, member: 4550"] Or not even playing D&D at all, and having a group of friends making up stories in their living room. The point is, if your entire goal is simply to tell a story, you don't need D&D [i]at all[/i], any edition. The goal of D&D is to tell a story [i]via a framework with dice rolls.[/i] 3E was the first real attempt to do so outside of combat. 4E actually does it well. The rules did forbid multiple uses of certain skills. Sure, but I don't see everyone participating. I see the one +53 Diplomacy character rolling five times. Same thing. The rogue with the highest skill modifier rolls Open Lock 3 (or more) times. Yes, you narrate the whole thing instead of rolling. That's fine, but not D&D. The point is that the 4E skill system interacts with [u]all players[/u] on a [i]mechanical basis[/i] where 3E and previous editions did not. And neither am I saying that. I would hazard that some differences between a "game" and a "story" are (1) a random element, and (2) codified turns. If you all want to sit around a table narrating a skill challenge, fine. It's not D&D, it's not a game: it's telling a story. D&D [b]is[/b] a game, for which I appreciate a mechanical system that does not [i]solely[/i] depend on DM fiat, just as I appreciate a mechanical system for combat (since D&D has existed) that does not depend solely on DM fiat. What is the code for the :rolleyes: icon?!?! ...exactly. A couple lines in the DMG saying only to the effect, "You can give XP if you want as a story reward" doesn't cut it. "Matching a story award to the difficulty" is intrinsically more helpful. Also (partially) true: part of the reason why I like the 4E skill challenge system is how it sork with the rest of the 4E mechanic. Only if you are pretending to use "rules" as the basis for non-combat encounters. [/QUOTE]

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