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<blockquote data-quote="kenmarable" data-source="post: 7749288" data-attributes="member: 40359"><p>Yes and no.</p><p></p><p>If you are playing a Planescape campaign - absolutely they are connected. Very remotely and with difficulty, but still definitely connected. My first bit of fan fiction when I was young had the main villain be a Dark Sun sorcerer-king living in Sigil. In fact, I could see a Planescape adventure about trying to get to Athas and (even more challenging - back again) being very interesting.</p><p></p><p>However, if you are playing a Dark Sun campaign, when I asked my Magic 8-Ball if it is connected to Planescape, all it said was "Reply hazy, try again." <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p>In Planescape products, they are very clear about the connection. In Dark Sun products, the connection is much less clear. There's certainly clear signs of past connections. There's mutated descendants of githyanki, for example. Also, there's hand waving in the direction of a possible but tenuous current connection in the way that writers say "Hey, here's a big set of adventure hooks if you want!" but nothing definitive.</p><p></p><p>Assuming one set of conflicting products is correct is the wrong way to approach it. It all depends on what you are looking for with your game. A Dark Sun game that has no current connections to Planescape would be as correct canonically as a Planescape campaign that accepted those rumors you mention as true. (Personally, even if I was going to have a Planescape/Dark Sun campaign, things like "Jemorille the Exile had something to do with Rajaat's rise to power" would probably be treated as false by me. The general trend of "Your villain was secretly manipulated by MY villain! Ha!" in any sort of merging of properties strikes me as lame writing. Glad even in Planescape that's only a rumor.)</p><p></p><p>Edit to add: Just went back and double checked the reference about Jemorille and that makes more sense now. Haven't read Faces of Sigil in a while. It's an in-character statement made by someone who claims to single-handedly be behind most every major event in all the worlds including the Temple of Elemental Evil (creation and destruction) and the Tuigan Horde, as well as being personally responsible for the entire Blood War, and don't forget - completely controlling Sigil itself with the Lady of Pain as just a useful illusion. So, yeah, even canonically in Planescape that claim of influence in Athas is extreeeeemely dubious. Either Jemorille is the greatest antagonist in the history of the multiverse (which could be an interesting campaign) or he's full of [redacted for Eric's Grandma]. I'm pretty sure in Planescape canon, it's the second option.)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="kenmarable, post: 7749288, member: 40359"] Yes and no. If you are playing a Planescape campaign - absolutely they are connected. Very remotely and with difficulty, but still definitely connected. My first bit of fan fiction when I was young had the main villain be a Dark Sun sorcerer-king living in Sigil. In fact, I could see a Planescape adventure about trying to get to Athas and (even more challenging - back again) being very interesting. However, if you are playing a Dark Sun campaign, when I asked my Magic 8-Ball if it is connected to Planescape, all it said was "Reply hazy, try again." ;) In Planescape products, they are very clear about the connection. In Dark Sun products, the connection is much less clear. There's certainly clear signs of past connections. There's mutated descendants of githyanki, for example. Also, there's hand waving in the direction of a possible but tenuous current connection in the way that writers say "Hey, here's a big set of adventure hooks if you want!" but nothing definitive. Assuming one set of conflicting products is correct is the wrong way to approach it. It all depends on what you are looking for with your game. A Dark Sun game that has no current connections to Planescape would be as correct canonically as a Planescape campaign that accepted those rumors you mention as true. (Personally, even if I was going to have a Planescape/Dark Sun campaign, things like "Jemorille the Exile had something to do with Rajaat's rise to power" would probably be treated as false by me. The general trend of "Your villain was secretly manipulated by MY villain! Ha!" in any sort of merging of properties strikes me as lame writing. Glad even in Planescape that's only a rumor.) Edit to add: Just went back and double checked the reference about Jemorille and that makes more sense now. Haven't read Faces of Sigil in a while. It's an in-character statement made by someone who claims to single-handedly be behind most every major event in all the worlds including the Temple of Elemental Evil (creation and destruction) and the Tuigan Horde, as well as being personally responsible for the entire Blood War, and don't forget - completely controlling Sigil itself with the Lady of Pain as just a useful illusion. So, yeah, even canonically in Planescape that claim of influence in Athas is extreeeeemely dubious. Either Jemorille is the greatest antagonist in the history of the multiverse (which could be an interesting campaign) or he's full of [redacted for Eric's Grandma]. I'm pretty sure in Planescape canon, it's the second option.) [/QUOTE]
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