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<blockquote data-quote="The Souljourner" data-source="post: 1175378" data-attributes="member: 1622">The text is to prevent you from withdrawing by climbing up a wall, swimming away, etc. since if you're having to make a skill check to do it, you're obviously not able to do it carefully enough to not open yourself to attack.&nbsp; That being said, maybe a penalty to the check is appropriate, so really good climbing rogues could do it in such a way as to not draw an AoO.And as for the second... while they sound like they should be able to be used together, they are actually different things.&nbsp; One is moving careful so as not to open ones self to undue attacks, and one is to not move very much and do your best at defending yourself.&nbsp; One requires movement and focuses on making that movement safer, one restricts movement, and focuses on making all attacks at you more difficult.If you want to move and up your AC, take mobility and expertise, with 5 ranks of tumble fighting defensively, you can have +8 to your AC and +12 vs. attacks of opportunity due to moving.&nbsp; That's pretty damn good.-The Souljourner</blockquote>

[QUOTE="The Souljourner, post: 1175378, member: 1622"] The text is to prevent you from withdrawing by climbing up a wall, swimming away, etc. since if you're having to make a skill check to do it, you're obviously not able to do it carefully enough to not open yourself to attack. That being said, maybe a penalty to the check is appropriate, so really good climbing rogues could do it in such a way as to not draw an AoO. And as for the second... while they sound like they should be able to be used together, they are actually different things. One is moving careful so as not to open ones self to undue attacks, and one is to not move very much and do your best at defending yourself. One requires movement and focuses on making that movement safer, one restricts movement, and focuses on making all attacks at you more difficult. If you want to move and up your AC, take mobility and expertise, with 5 ranks of tumble fighting defensively, you can have +8 to your AC and +12 vs. attacks of opportunity due to moving. That's pretty damn good. -The Souljourner [/QUOTE]

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