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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 3264251" data-attributes="member: 4937">I see this as a fault of overly narrow base classes (monk, ranger, druid, paladin, barbarian, and to a lesser extent rogue strike me as particular concepts not classes).  The variants should be built into base much the same way that 3rd edition clerics manage to bundle together dozens of 2nd edition speciality priest classes into a tight package, only well more so. A more robust feat system and selection could do almost all the rest.The proliferation of base classes is cludgy in the same way that 1st and 2nd edition became unwieldy.  It was easier and more profitable to keep printing supplements than it was to fix the core problem.As for non-classed concepts, I await the 'Aging Martial Arts Master' as a 20 level class too.  Looking into the future, I see people looking back to this period and asking, "With what base class did WotC jump the shark?"  I put my money on Paladin.  BotR's Holy Warrior is a good example of what sort of path they should have taken the Champion in.I guess the good side of all these dead trees is that they are good learning experiences for the designers.</blockquote>