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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Dannyalcatraz" data-source="post: 3265572" data-attributes="member: 19675">Gestalting is an optional rule that is not allowed.Not quite- NO flash, a little healing & buffing, and, except for the Travel & Luck domain spells, nearly everything above 3rd level was a defensive spell.1) He wasn't a superlative caster with the exception of Travel, Luck and protective spells.2) Druid has a whole host of issues that don't belong, such as shapechanging & animal companion.1) The core set of spells for this PC- protective spells- are almost entirely absent from the spell-lists of those 2 classes.2)  Excising the stuff from the core classes that is alien to the core concept would not be allowed in any campaign this PC would have been run in.No, I'm pointing out that:1) Even then, creating a PC based on these archetypes required optional rules which may not be used by all DMs, and2) The Kalevala PCs didn't even follow the rules as written (see the next lines of that post).Despite the class' obvious inspiration in legendary characters like Lancelot DuLac, Roland and Jean D'Arc, I have no such illusions.But consider the powers & trappings of the class: anti-undead powers, laying on hands- what about that (in any edition) fits the heroes of the Kalevala?  Better they be LG Rangers or Fighters!  They chose to make the PCs better vs Undead instead of staying true to the source material.If you look at the 2Ed Abjuration and Cleric vs the 3Ed Abjuration and Cleric spell lists, you'll see that those lists are different.(I'm not in front of my books at this moment- I'll post some of the changes later.  OTOH, I'll see if I can find the original PC so you can get a better feel for what was and what wasn't on his spell list.)Re: my request for your version of the build-So, when the party asks you to Turn Undead, you just refuse to?And on the flip side, you don't have much of that animist talking to the "spirits of the 4 winds" or "the spirit of the road" stuff.Long & short- its a concept that is ill-suited to 3.X Core RAW.  Most of the counter suggestions seem to involve HRs or DM tweeks.</blockquote>

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