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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Storm Raven" data-source="post: 3265659" data-attributes="member: 307">Well, that's easy to deal with for a bard - since you select your repertoire of spells from a list, you simply choose those that are not flashy, have a little healing, and a buffing. Let's see, for a 10th level bard you could select:1st: cure light wounds, disguise self, expeditious retreat, remove fear.2nd: cat's grace, cure moderate wounds, delay poison, heroism.3rd: cure serious wounds, good hope, remove curse, see invisibility.4th: break enchantment, freedom of movement.There. No flashy spells. A little healing. A little buffing. Some movement stuff. That wasn't hard, despite your constant protestations.So don't take an animal companion. I don't see the objection though - vanamoinen had a special horse, the Son of Pohjola was always accompanied by a wolf, Lemmenkainen  and Kullervo were often accompanied by hunting animals. And if you don't want to shapechange, don't be higher than a 4th level druid. A druid/ranger multiclass would work just fine. Of course, I don't see why shapechanging would be a problem for a Finnish type hero. Lemminkainen and Vanamoinen, for example,  could both shapeshift in the legends told about them. Your objections seem to mostly amount to "I wanted to play a special character, and it took special mechanics to make him" more than they amount to anything substantive.Which protective spells do you think they need? Alarm? Barkskin? Blur? Dispel Magic? Displacement? Invisibility? Protection from Energy? Resist Energy? Because, you know, those are all on the bard and ranger lists.And somehow, you don't seem to have to do that. Nothing needs to be excised from any of the core classes It seems to me that you just don't want to say "bard/ranger" because it makes your Finnish superhero seem less special.Actually, it is a concept that is easily doable, quite well, by the 3e core rules as written. You just seem to think that the rules say something different than they do.</blockquote>

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