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<blockquote data-quote="Oofta" data-source="post: 8019215" data-attributes="member: 6801845"><p>This is somewhat pertinent because evil monsters is part of the heritage of D&D. If you're going to keep the concept of sentient creatures being effectively always evil, there are some people who are going to have an issue with it. Greedy dragons that horde gold and scheme evil deeds could be considered a representation of Jews. Conniving evil female seductresses is misogynistic. People who are ugly or for whatever reason don't fit our definition of normal could be considered aberrations and so on. </p><p></p><p>But it's already had thousands of posts in the other threads. </p><p></p><p>My (obviously biased) summary?</p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>It's okay to have evil monsters: </strong>It's a complex issue and perhaps some imagery and text could be modified. The basic concept of evil monsters is common and not unique to D&D nor is it inherently wrong. It's a game, the monsters are not real. Include some links to articles and studies that show no correlation between D&D and racism.</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>Depicting monsters (orcs specifically) as evil: </strong>It's racist because [insert ethnicity or religion] have also been called evil and if you don't agree you're a racist and we'll sit here and shake our heads in disbelief that you don't agree.</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p><p>So I don't see anything productive coming out of any further discussion.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Oofta, post: 8019215, member: 6801845"] This is somewhat pertinent because evil monsters is part of the heritage of D&D. If you're going to keep the concept of sentient creatures being effectively always evil, there are some people who are going to have an issue with it. Greedy dragons that horde gold and scheme evil deeds could be considered a representation of Jews. Conniving evil female seductresses is misogynistic. People who are ugly or for whatever reason don't fit our definition of normal could be considered aberrations and so on. But it's already had thousands of posts in the other threads. My (obviously biased) summary? [INDENT][B]It's okay to have evil monsters: [/B]It's a complex issue and perhaps some imagery and text could be modified. The basic concept of evil monsters is common and not unique to D&D nor is it inherently wrong. It's a game, the monsters are not real. Include some links to articles and studies that show no correlation between D&D and racism.[/INDENT] [INDENT][/INDENT] [INDENT][B]Depicting monsters (orcs specifically) as evil: [/B]It's racist because [insert ethnicity or religion] have also been called evil and if you don't agree you're a racist and we'll sit here and shake our heads in disbelief that you don't agree.[/INDENT] [INDENT][/INDENT] So I don't see anything productive coming out of any further discussion. [/QUOTE]
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