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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Aldarc" data-source="post: 8021963" data-attributes="member: 5142">Yes I am, and your post only demonstrates that you have failed to either read, listen, to the conversation or both, because you are doing a terrible job of actually presenting the argument at hand, but doing one fantastic job of straw-manning opposing viewpoints. Because the problem - as others have said before - is not orcs per se, but the rhetoric used to describe orcs. It's not that orcs are representative of black people or any people, but, rather, that the rhetoric of orcs has parallels and undertones analogous to the rhetoric of white supremacists about non-whites. These are separate arguments. But if one fails to understand or comprehend that difference, I could see how that could get misconstrued. Maybe if we repeat it enough times, it will drive this point home. I hope that people can grasp this difference, because it's helpful for understanding the actual conversation that WotC and other gamers in favor of the changes are arguing. This is why the discussion of blackface, minstrel shows, and racist rhetoric gets brought up. It's not that orcs = black people, but, rather, that its one of the most obvious illustrations of the language of racism and how undertones of that rhetoric can be found in the description of orcs.As to examples? People have been posting them and providing links. And yet when people post them, this evidence gets either dismissed, ignored, or internally rationalized via a Thermian argument. You want a discussion with more thoughts on the matter being considered? Yeah, that happened over that past few decades. This forum evidences that discussion happening in our community. This conversation has being going on for a long time now. Trying to invite further discussion is just kicking the can down the road to postpone or stonewall the changes from happening.</blockquote>

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