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<blockquote data-quote="Dire Bare" data-source="post: 8022762" data-attributes="member: 18182"><p>I would disagree that we shouldn't be talking about other D&D creatures/races beyond orcs and drow. I think we're focused on orcs and drow as they are the most obvious examples of racist tropes embedded in our favorite game, but ANY fantasy race or creature that is described as inherently <insert label> is potentially problematic. Not necessarily to the same degree, and the "proper" response doesn't necessarily have to be the same in each case.</p><p></p><p>It's a process and a conversation. It took D&D a while to drop some of the more obvious sexist tropes in the game, it took a while to make the game more inclusive with art and world-building, but we still have work to do in those areas plus the focus now on removing racist tropes. It's going to take time, and some of the "old guard" will be dragged along kicking and screaming the entire time. If the biggest change we see this year from WotC is new takes on the orcs and drow, I'd be pretty happy. And then expect the designers and the community to continue the conversation.</p><p></p><p>I do think that some posters here are playing <em>whataboutism</em> and purposefully trying to derail the conversation. The whole BS "slippery slope" debate tactic, they are not engaging honestly in the conversation. I got no respect for that.</p><p></p><p>But, I honestly feel that we (<em>as in DM's and also game designers</em>) should be re-examining every single D&D sentient race in the game looking for racist and/or problematic tropes. We don't have to do it all at once, and we should probably start with orcs and drow, and we won't all agree on which races are more problematic and what to do about them . . . . but the conversation is a good one regardless of whether we are talking specifically about orcs, drow, giants, devils, angels, dragons, or awakened squirrels.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dire Bare, post: 8022762, member: 18182"] I would disagree that we shouldn't be talking about other D&D creatures/races beyond orcs and drow. I think we're focused on orcs and drow as they are the most obvious examples of racist tropes embedded in our favorite game, but ANY fantasy race or creature that is described as inherently <insert label> is potentially problematic. Not necessarily to the same degree, and the "proper" response doesn't necessarily have to be the same in each case. It's a process and a conversation. It took D&D a while to drop some of the more obvious sexist tropes in the game, it took a while to make the game more inclusive with art and world-building, but we still have work to do in those areas plus the focus now on removing racist tropes. It's going to take time, and some of the "old guard" will be dragged along kicking and screaming the entire time. If the biggest change we see this year from WotC is new takes on the orcs and drow, I'd be pretty happy. And then expect the designers and the community to continue the conversation. I do think that some posters here are playing [I]whataboutism[/I] and purposefully trying to derail the conversation. The whole BS "slippery slope" debate tactic, they are not engaging honestly in the conversation. I got no respect for that. But, I honestly feel that we ([I]as in DM's and also game designers[/I]) should be re-examining every single D&D sentient race in the game looking for racist and/or problematic tropes. We don't have to do it all at once, and we should probably start with orcs and drow, and we won't all agree on which races are more problematic and what to do about them . . . . but the conversation is a good one regardless of whether we are talking specifically about orcs, drow, giants, devils, angels, dragons, or awakened squirrels. [/QUOTE]
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