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<blockquote data-quote="Cadence" data-source="post: 8023425" data-attributes="member: 6701124"><p>I'm not sure where the line is. Is looking at spells like "Charm Person" useful? Or should they change the name? I've posted before it's interesting to see how reincarnate has changed over time.</p><p></p><p>The arguments about type and what we value shows up in lots of other places too, and I'm not sure it's ever clean. What animals count as pets? What animals are ok to eat? Is it worse to eat an ape or a monkey than a squirrel? Are horses different than cows? Dolphins (the mammal) than mahi-mahi? What should one conclude about the farmer in Babe? </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Would Tolkien references be equally bad as, in spite of inspiring a lot of it, Tolkien isn't D&D. The elves in it, for example, are certainly very different from the 5e elves. </p><p></p><p>The using unrelated literature feels like it might be relevant and useful for sussing out what we mean by a person, if nothing else, by analogy. If we are happy in the one context with saying Yoda and Chewie count as people, or Worf or Data, then we can start to ask why? Is there anything to learn from how we feel about the mutants in the Marvel Universe? When we see that even an android can cry, do we think the Vision is a person, or are we with those who are outraged when Wanda wants to marry "it"?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cadence, post: 8023425, member: 6701124"] I'm not sure where the line is. Is looking at spells like "Charm Person" useful? Or should they change the name? I've posted before it's interesting to see how reincarnate has changed over time. The arguments about type and what we value shows up in lots of other places too, and I'm not sure it's ever clean. What animals count as pets? What animals are ok to eat? Is it worse to eat an ape or a monkey than a squirrel? Are horses different than cows? Dolphins (the mammal) than mahi-mahi? What should one conclude about the farmer in Babe? Would Tolkien references be equally bad as, in spite of inspiring a lot of it, Tolkien isn't D&D. The elves in it, for example, are certainly very different from the 5e elves. The using unrelated literature feels like it might be relevant and useful for sussing out what we mean by a person, if nothing else, by analogy. If we are happy in the one context with saying Yoda and Chewie count as people, or Worf or Data, then we can start to ask why? Is there anything to learn from how we feel about the mutants in the Marvel Universe? When we see that even an android can cry, do we think the Vision is a person, or are we with those who are outraged when Wanda wants to marry "it"? [/QUOTE]
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