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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Dire Bare" data-source="post: 8023482" data-attributes="member: 18182">Wow dude, going to have to disagree with you hardcore on this stuff.Who determines who is "fit for society"? People suffering from mental illness are no longer people? People who have made mistakes, albeit some pretty serious ones (taking another's life), are no longer people? Damn. I'm glad society IRL doesn't hold to those standards. Sure would solve our mental health and prison crises we have, since none of those folks are people, just dump them in the old gas chamber . . . . In D&D, most PCs would probably qualify as "murderers" by real-world legal standards.Let's use some real world examples here. Is a person who has given in to fear and hate, who then lashed out and killed someone . . . given up their right to be considered a person? Do we not try to rehabilitate those folks? If they later show regret and remorse, can they no longer participate in society? What about someone who felt in fear of their own life and was acting of of perceived self-defense? What about a crime of passion, a spousal argument that has gone too far? I'm not saying those folks shouldn't suffer the consequences of their actions, but to revoke their personhood? Dude.What about Nazis? Pretty evil group of folks there from a few decades ago, committed some serious atrocities. Are Nazis criminal? Are they evil? I would agree that the Nazi ideology is criminal and evil, but are they not people any more? When you start labeling groups of humans as "not people", you are going down that very same slope the Nazis themselves traveled.</blockquote>

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