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<blockquote data-quote="AaronOfBarbaria" data-source="post: 8026582" data-attributes="member: 6701872">The post when you seemed to say &quot;it's not victim blaming&quot; to which I responded asking &quot;then what do you call it?&quot; certainly made it seem as though your response of &quot;So maybe the dwarves are victim blaming. So what?&quot; and then moving from that topic to a different topic - that dwarves in a story blaming victims isn't WotC blaming victims - certainly looks like moving a goal post.Like, could be the image used to illustrate the concept if someone went to look up &quot;what is 'moving the goal post'?&quot;As for application of real world ethics and morality to fantasy scenarios: that's not what was being done. Not exactly, at least. The ethics and morality written into the game by way of alignment being part of the game is what was being applied to illustrate that the actions of good-aligned entities in the story did not fit the way that&nbsp; the good alignment is presented as thinking/acting - lawful good is presented as &quot;can be counted on to do the right thing as expected by society.&quot; and that is directly at odds with writing off an entire segment of your society for erroneous reasons and making no steps towards reconciliation once those errors are brought to light. There is no way to demonstrate &quot;let's just be at war with the Duergar instead of accepting their claims of literal enslavement and working to re-integrate them to our society as allies&quot; as &quot;the right thing as expected by society.&quot;</blockquote>

[QUOTE="AaronOfBarbaria, post: 8026582, member: 6701872"] The post when you seemed to say "it's not victim blaming" to which I responded asking "then what do you call it?" certainly made it seem as though your response of "So maybe the dwarves are victim blaming. So what?" and then moving from that topic to a different topic - that dwarves in a story blaming victims isn't WotC blaming victims - certainly looks like moving a goal post. Like, could be the image used to illustrate the concept if someone went to look up "what is 'moving the goal post'?" As for application of real world ethics and morality to fantasy scenarios: that's not what was being done. Not exactly, at least. The ethics and morality [i]written into the game[/i] by way of alignment being part of the game is what was being applied to illustrate that the actions of good-aligned entities in the story did not fit the way that the good alignment is presented as thinking/acting - lawful good is presented as "can be counted on to do the right thing as expected by society." and that is directly at odds with writing off an entire segment of your society for erroneous reasons and making no steps towards reconciliation once those errors are brought to light. There is no way to demonstrate "let's just be at war with the Duergar instead of accepting their claims of literal enslavement and working to re-integrate them to our society as allies" as "the right thing as expected by society." [/QUOTE]

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