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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8030417" data-attributes="member: 6801228"><p>Propaganda has been used for decades to direct the public. From Looney Tunes, to comics, to war posters WWII propaganda excused and encouraged many heinous acts, usually by featuring characters. </p><p></p><p>Those characters weren't real, they in your world view, did not seem to exist. They can be explicitly and factually connected to real world events and violence. </p><p></p><p>If your position is that fiction cannot affect how people view the world, and that it cannot ever be used in a way to affect the world... then frankly I don't know why you care what is done to the orcs. It cannot affect you, in any way. They are not sapient, they are not real, so any changes to them cannot affect you in any way.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Um, wrong. Completely wrong actually on a staggering degree. </p><p></p><p>Orc Dieties of Faerun and Greyhwawk who are still alive and well include: Luthic, Ilneval, Bahgtru, Shargaas, and Yurtrus</p><p></p><p>Eberron would include... well every diety of Ebberron because of how it is set up. Same with Wildemount and Tal'Dorie. Not familiar with other settings. </p><p></p><p>Even the Drow have a rather large Pantheon across the multiverse, including: Keptolo, Kiaransalee, Zinzerena, Eilistraee, Ghaunadaur, Selvetarm, Vhaeraun, Malyk, and Vulkoor </p><p></p><p></p><p>So, saying that the Drow or Orcs must all be evil because the gods make them that way, then defending the fact that the other races can be good or evil because they have multiple gods while the evil races only have one... is wrong, because in fact the evil races also have multiple gods.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It could very well help, but honestly, I'd just get rid of the slum part in the racial description. They are no more likely to be in the slums than any other human character right? And there is no need to say in the human section that "over half of all humans live in incredible poverty, barely scraping by in the slums of greater cities" or that "many humans grow up in farming communities, working the land to provide food for the armies of their lords and ladies." </p><p></p><p>If socio-economic status isn't mentioned for any other race, why do it for the half-orcs and tielfings?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 8030417, member: 6801228"] Propaganda has been used for decades to direct the public. From Looney Tunes, to comics, to war posters WWII propaganda excused and encouraged many heinous acts, usually by featuring characters. Those characters weren't real, they in your world view, did not seem to exist. They can be explicitly and factually connected to real world events and violence. If your position is that fiction cannot affect how people view the world, and that it cannot ever be used in a way to affect the world... then frankly I don't know why you care what is done to the orcs. It cannot affect you, in any way. They are not sapient, they are not real, so any changes to them cannot affect you in any way. Um, wrong. Completely wrong actually on a staggering degree. Orc Dieties of Faerun and Greyhwawk who are still alive and well include: Luthic, Ilneval, Bahgtru, Shargaas, and Yurtrus Eberron would include... well every diety of Ebberron because of how it is set up. Same with Wildemount and Tal'Dorie. Not familiar with other settings. Even the Drow have a rather large Pantheon across the multiverse, including: Keptolo, Kiaransalee, Zinzerena, Eilistraee, Ghaunadaur, Selvetarm, Vhaeraun, Malyk, and Vulkoor So, saying that the Drow or Orcs must all be evil because the gods make them that way, then defending the fact that the other races can be good or evil because they have multiple gods while the evil races only have one... is wrong, because in fact the evil races also have multiple gods. It could very well help, but honestly, I'd just get rid of the slum part in the racial description. They are no more likely to be in the slums than any other human character right? And there is no need to say in the human section that "over half of all humans live in incredible poverty, barely scraping by in the slums of greater cities" or that "many humans grow up in farming communities, working the land to provide food for the armies of their lords and ladies." If socio-economic status isn't mentioned for any other race, why do it for the half-orcs and tielfings? [/QUOTE]
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