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<blockquote data-quote="Scott Christian" data-source="post: 8031552" data-attributes="member: 6901101"><p>I know this has been gone over a million times, but they put it in there to show that orcs were segregated against. I mean that is how economies (including kingdoms and fiefdoms) work; segregate one portion by religion, race, caste, family name, beauty, mental proficiencies, etc. while the other portions reap the benefits. Not passing judgement. Just saying that was the authors' intentions, to show the majority of orcs grew up impoverished. </p><p>If it changes, fine. No big deal. But growing up in poverty, just like this quote about gnomes: "gnomes who settle in human lands are commonly gemcutters, engineers, sages and tinkers. Some human families retain gnome tutors, ensuring that their pupils enjoy a mix of serious learning and delighted enjoyment." This quote implies all gnomes are happy. It also implies that they are working class (working for humans) or above in their position in society. (Their economic status is detailed.)</p><p>The section on halflings states that most are rural folk in small communities. It goes on to list outliers, but the word most is used as rural. Last I checked, in almost any fantasy world, the country bumpkin doesn't have much wealth. They may have happiness. But not coin. So it is assumed that a halfling's home is modest at best, and their wealth minimal.</p><p>So when you say "orcs are no more likely to be in the slums..." yes, the authors' say yes, they are. If it gets changed, great. I have no problem with that. Write lore to show their uprising through the classes to where they rule over all of humanity with wisdom. I am fine with that. But that authors' intent was to show the socio-economic workings of the world. And someone has to be at the bottom unless you are on the Enterprise. Orcs happened to be chosen because they had been the pick-on-you race for thirty years. If you want to have a different section in there, say all humans, fine. Dragon Age did it with elves. I believe people liked it. The Witcher did it with elves and dwarves, people enjoyed the setting. So again, nothing wrong with the change, but don't make the authors' intent out to be more than what it was - to try and paint of picture of a fantasy world: its people, cultures, economies, magic, and problems.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Scott Christian, post: 8031552, member: 6901101"] I know this has been gone over a million times, but they put it in there to show that orcs were segregated against. I mean that is how economies (including kingdoms and fiefdoms) work; segregate one portion by religion, race, caste, family name, beauty, mental proficiencies, etc. while the other portions reap the benefits. Not passing judgement. Just saying that was the authors' intentions, to show the majority of orcs grew up impoverished. If it changes, fine. No big deal. But growing up in poverty, just like this quote about gnomes: "gnomes who settle in human lands are commonly gemcutters, engineers, sages and tinkers. Some human families retain gnome tutors, ensuring that their pupils enjoy a mix of serious learning and delighted enjoyment." This quote implies all gnomes are happy. It also implies that they are working class (working for humans) or above in their position in society. (Their economic status is detailed.) The section on halflings states that most are rural folk in small communities. It goes on to list outliers, but the word most is used as rural. Last I checked, in almost any fantasy world, the country bumpkin doesn't have much wealth. They may have happiness. But not coin. So it is assumed that a halfling's home is modest at best, and their wealth minimal. So when you say "orcs are no more likely to be in the slums..." yes, the authors' say yes, they are. If it gets changed, great. I have no problem with that. Write lore to show their uprising through the classes to where they rule over all of humanity with wisdom. I am fine with that. But that authors' intent was to show the socio-economic workings of the world. And someone has to be at the bottom unless you are on the Enterprise. Orcs happened to be chosen because they had been the pick-on-you race for thirty years. If you want to have a different section in there, say all humans, fine. Dragon Age did it with elves. I believe people liked it. The Witcher did it with elves and dwarves, people enjoyed the setting. So again, nothing wrong with the change, but don't make the authors' intent out to be more than what it was - to try and paint of picture of a fantasy world: its people, cultures, economies, magic, and problems. [/QUOTE]
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