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<blockquote data-quote="FrogReaver" data-source="post: 7352884" data-attributes="member: 6795602">Meanwhile back in the real world...There is a bit of nuance between the statements &quot;If X occurs, then Y&quot; and &quot;When X occurs, then Y&quot;.However, it's not incorrect to say &quot;if X occurs, then Y&quot; even if you are certain that X will occur.&nbsp; Likewise it's not incorrect to say &quot;when x occurs, then y&quot; and have x never occur.Examples:&quot;Hey girl, when you come over we will watch Netflix&quot;&nbsp; (Girl never comes over)&quot;Hey girl, if you come over we will watch Netflix&quot; (Girl never comes over)&quot;If you drop an apple, it will fall&quot;&quot;When you drop an apple, it will fall&quot;&quot;If I get back from the war, I will marry you&quot;&quot;When I get back from the war, I will marry you&quot;&nbsp; (it's uncertain X will happen but we usually expect to hear &quot;when&quot; here)&nbsp; ***Please note that in neither case is the promise to marry something that must be carry out immediately upon return.&nbsp; It may take months or a year to finalize the marriage, however engagement should be expected within days or a few weeks upon return.However, &quot;when X occurs, then Y&quot; can be used to denote a bit more immediency than &quot;If X occurs, then Y&quot;.&nbsp; Examples:&quot;If the sun comes up tomorrow, we will go to the movies&quot;&nbsp; (no information about when we will go to the movies other than the speaker is likely referring to going to the movies tomorrow due to context.&nbsp; The sun coming up tomorrow if also something that is more or less guaranteed to occur)&quot;When the sun comes up tomorrow, we will go to the movies&quot;&nbsp; (This statement does specify when we would be going to the movies a little more clearly)However, please note that in all examples that that the if or when condition must occur before we begin to expect the &quot;promise&quot; (for lack of a better word) to occur.&nbsp; Even with &quot;when&quot; statements the &quot;promise&quot; doesn't necessarily have to be immediate but it can be.&nbsp; The keys to remember are that &quot;if then&quot; statements do denote a timing (thus the &quot;then&quot; inherent in the reading of such statements).&nbsp; When statements and if statements can overlap most the time and keep the same meaning.&nbsp; Sometimes &quot;when&quot; statements can denote a lot more immediancy of action than &quot;if then&quot;.In D&amp;D 5e terms, we know that the &quot;if&quot; and &quot;when&quot; difference isn't due to whether the action might or might not happen as it's talking about the attack action in both.&nbsp; We also know that both &quot;if then&quot; statements and &quot;when&quot; statements both denote timing.&nbsp; However, D&amp;D 5e rules clarifications declare that the &quot;if then&quot; statement in shield master doesn't specify any timing and thus allows you to use the shield master bonus action attack anytime.&nbsp; I can only surmise that &quot;when&quot; statements being so related to &quot;if then&quot; statements get similar treatment.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="FrogReaver, post: 7352884, member: 6795602"] Meanwhile back in the real world... There is a bit of nuance between the statements "If X occurs, then Y" and "When X occurs, then Y". However, it's not incorrect to say "if X occurs, then Y" even if you are certain that X will occur. Likewise it's not incorrect to say "when x occurs, then y" and have x never occur. Examples: "Hey girl, when you come over we will watch Netflix" (Girl never comes over) "Hey girl, if you come over we will watch Netflix" (Girl never comes over) "If you drop an apple, it will fall" "When you drop an apple, it will fall" "If I get back from the war, I will marry you" "When I get back from the war, I will marry you" (it's uncertain X will happen but we usually expect to hear "when" here) ***Please note that in neither case is the promise to marry something that must be carry out immediately upon return. It may take months or a year to finalize the marriage, however engagement should be expected within days or a few weeks upon return. However, "when X occurs, then Y" can be used to denote a bit more immediency than "If X occurs, then Y". Examples: "If the sun comes up tomorrow, we will go to the movies" (no information about when we will go to the movies other than the speaker is likely referring to going to the movies tomorrow due to context. The sun coming up tomorrow if also something that is more or less guaranteed to occur) "When the sun comes up tomorrow, we will go to the movies" (This statement does specify when we would be going to the movies a little more clearly) However, please note that in all examples that that the if or when condition must occur before we begin to expect the "promise" (for lack of a better word) to occur. Even with "when" statements the "promise" doesn't necessarily have to be immediate but it can be. The keys to remember are that "if then" statements do denote a timing (thus the "then" inherent in the reading of such statements). When statements and if statements can overlap most the time and keep the same meaning. Sometimes "when" statements can denote a lot more immediancy of action than "if then". In D&D 5e terms, we know that the "if" and "when" difference isn't due to whether the action might or might not happen as it's talking about the attack action in both. We also know that both "if then" statements and "when" statements both denote timing. However, D&D 5e rules clarifications declare that the "if then" statement in shield master doesn't specify any timing and thus allows you to use the shield master bonus action attack anytime. I can only surmise that "when" statements being so related to "if then" statements get similar treatment. [/QUOTE]

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