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<blockquote data-quote="Li Shenron" data-source="post: 8041548" data-attributes="member: 1465"><p>I think it's clear enough that Shove says it's a "special melee attack". It is its own thing, so you are free to narrate it the way you want including shoving with a weapon, with a spell in your hand or by spitting to someone's eye, but you can't turn it into a weapon attack, a spell attack, a ranged attack or a non-attack, it's still its own special melee attack.</p><p></p><p>Whether it's fair that 2WF has its own requirements is another matter. It is possible they did not mean to prevent a combination with Shove or Grapple, in fact, if you have Extra Attack and do at least one attack with the main weapon, you get your off-hand attack too.</p><p></p><p>I think it's best to choose, either go by RAW and say no, or go by RAI/RAF and say yes. But starting a discussion on how you can cheat the RAW by using a pommel is opening a can of worms, because next the DM is going to question what kind of weapon you really have, whether the pommel can be used as a weapon or not, or is it an improvised weapon and does it matter if you have Tavern Brawler... it is all endless theorycraft that takes farther away from playing the game.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Li Shenron, post: 8041548, member: 1465"] I think it's clear enough that Shove says it's a "special melee attack". It is its own thing, so you are free to narrate it the way you want including shoving with a weapon, with a spell in your hand or by spitting to someone's eye, but you can't turn it into a weapon attack, a spell attack, a ranged attack or a non-attack, it's still its own special melee attack. Whether it's fair that 2WF has its own requirements is another matter. It is possible they did not mean to prevent a combination with Shove or Grapple, in fact, if you have Extra Attack and do at least one attack with the main weapon, you get your off-hand attack too. I think it's best to choose, either go by RAW and say no, or go by RAI/RAF and say yes. But starting a discussion on how you can cheat the RAW by using a pommel is opening a can of worms, because next the DM is going to question what kind of weapon you really have, whether the pommel can be used as a weapon or not, or is it an improvised weapon and does it matter if you have Tavern Brawler... it is all endless theorycraft that takes farther away from playing the game. [/QUOTE]
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