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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Moon-Lancer" data-source="post: 3467743" data-attributes="member: 35798">how can one make an offhand attack when the offhand is not used to make the attack? well normaly they cant. But we know that some weapons break this rule, such as spiked armor. Spiked armor is not wielded in the offhand but can make offhand attacks with it. This is the exception of the rule that one can use twf with something other then a offhand. srd"You can also make a regular melee attack (or off-hand attack) with the spikes, and they count as a light weapon in this case. (You can’t also make an attack with armor spikes if you have already made an attack with another off-hand weapon, and vice versa."Hypersmurf"What does making an off-hand attack mean? It means -4 on the attack roll, and half Str bonus to damage."Why would anyone choose to make an offhand attack instead of a normal attack if your not getting an extra attack? If their is no reason then its clear what they really mean. the part that stood out as odd was this.srd"You can’t also make an attack with armor spikes if you have already made an attack with another off-hand weapon, and vice versa."My guess is that their was a fear that with armor spikes one could wield a long sword in one hand, and a short sword in the other and use spiked armor to basically get 3 attacks with twf. I would never let anyone do that even if it was not in the text, because i see an offhand attack as mierly an extra attack. Is their anyone that would think that because the left hand hold a weapon and armorspikes are primed, that the two weapon fighter should be entitled to two attacks extra attacks rather then on? So I can understand your concern Hypersmurf. I wonder though... when you think of a greatsword+armor spikes=twf, do you see the greatsword getting stragth+half or just strength?</blockquote>

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