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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Elder-Basilisk" data-source="post: 544522" data-attributes="member: 3146">Re: Full attacks. This is a pretty much a moot point by 12th level or so. At this point characters should have access to Haste in most battles which will enable them to partial charge and full attack or move and full attack. The non-TWF rogue could have spring attack instead but going into melee with a dragon, it's not going to help much (unless the rogue has boots of striding and springing). If the rogue wants to move, attack, and move he'll probably still usually be a mere five foot step from the dragon's threat range. And if he wants to be further away, he'll have to tumble just like the TWF rogue.The other interesting thing that running the numbers brought up is this: the -2 makes a very big difference when foes have decent ACs (30 or so). In the TWF case, the secondary attacks, hardly make any difference to the average damage per round (although they might make a huge difference to the damage in any given round). Give some appropriate buffing (bless, prayer, bard song, etc) from party members, the TWF rogue might be able to get both primary attacks into "hits more than half the time" range but the secondary attacks are almost guaranteed to be long shots. Consequently, Improved TWF doesn't really yield good dividends unless the rogue is fighting foes with poor ACs. Most of the time, TWF will be almost as good as Imp TWF.Thinking about this, I don't think that rolling TWF and Imp TWF into one feat would really break anything. The one feat for ambidex and TWF (as long as you only use a specific weapon combo) would be a bit much though. Since most characters who use TWF use a specific weapon combo their entire careers (usually picking up weapon focus, EWP, or Weapon finesse early in their careers), there's little reason to take actual TWF and Ambidex. Especially since, in many situations, the benefits from Imp TWF are marginal and even if they're not in the situation a character usually finds himself (a 12th level double sword fighter for instance), it's still no more feats than the character would have spent to get Ambidex and TWF rolled into one. So a character who loads up on the bennies early doesn't suffer if he later decides he'd like imp TWF.Another interesting note from running the numbers: Improved Crit really doesn't do much for a rogue. Maybe it would if the rogue had a keen flaming burst rapier or something but the extra 1d6+5 or so damage from a crit pales in comparison to the 6d6 or so sneak attack the rogue can have at that level.</blockquote>

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