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<blockquote data-quote="Spatula" data-source="post: 769602" data-attributes="member: 2198">I don't agree with this, it just takes longer (and a lot of feats) before TWF starts to pay off.&nbsp; But when it does, it can get powerful.&nbsp; The only real downside, as I see it, is the need for the 2nd weapon, although things like GMW can offset that.&nbsp; A 16th lvl TWF gets 7 attacks per round at -2 to hit compared to the 2HF's 4 attacks.&nbsp; The 2HF can put those 2 points into power attack, but the TWF has 3 more chances at critical hits (plus the damage from those 3 additional attacks).The TWF gets those same feats, he just won't have them at the beginning.&nbsp; That's part of the whole &quot;it takes a while to pay off...&quot; thing.1st lvl: exotic weapon, ambi, TWF2nd lvl: weapon focus3rd lvl: power attack4th lvl: weapon spec.6th lvl: cleave, expertise8th lvl: improved crit9th lvl: improved TWF10th lvl: OPEN12th lvl: power crit, OPEN14th lvl: OPEN15th lvl: greater TWFOne of those OPEN slots could be this Improved Ambidexterity feat, which apparently gets rid of the -2/-2 penalty.&nbsp; Now the 2HF can use all those TWFing slots on something else, but there's only a handful of weapon-related feats, and the fighting feat chains (power attack, expertise, dodge, etc.) aren't always open (because of stat prereqs).&nbsp; So in the end, the 2HF is more flexible (more fighting styles) but the TWF gets more attacks.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Spatula, post: 769602, member: 2198"] I don't agree with this, it just takes longer (and a lot of feats) before TWF starts to pay off. But when it does, it can get powerful. The only real downside, as I see it, is the need for the 2nd weapon, although things like GMW can offset that. A 16th lvl TWF gets 7 attacks per round at -2 to hit compared to the 2HF's 4 attacks. The 2HF can put those 2 points into power attack, but the TWF has 3 more chances at critical hits (plus the damage from those 3 additional attacks).The TWF gets those same feats, he just won't have them at the beginning. That's part of the whole "it takes a while to pay off..." thing. 1st lvl: exotic weapon, ambi, TWF 2nd lvl: weapon focus 3rd lvl: power attack 4th lvl: weapon spec. 6th lvl: cleave, expertise 8th lvl: improved crit 9th lvl: improved TWF 10th lvl: OPEN 12th lvl: power crit, OPEN 14th lvl: OPEN 15th lvl: greater TWF One of those OPEN slots could be this Improved Ambidexterity feat, which apparently gets rid of the -2/-2 penalty. Now the 2HF can use all those TWFing slots on something else, but there's only a handful of weapon-related feats, and the fighting feat chains (power attack, expertise, dodge, etc.) aren't always open (because of stat prereqs). So in the end, the 2HF is more flexible (more fighting styles) but the TWF gets more attacks. [/QUOTE]

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