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<blockquote data-quote="DarkMaster" data-source="post: 2633728" data-attributes="member: 16362">Option 2 is the best way to loose your player. (One thing for sure you would loose me). If you absolutly want to remove the item. Just talk about it out-of-character and rectify the situation, giving your arguments and letting the player give theirs. The game is not a DM vs player game (as you demonstrated in your example the DM can always win so where would be the fun.). If you absolutly wants to remove them within the game at least give your player a chance to defend themselves and perhaps earn the items by defeating the challenges but never pit them against some powerfull out-of-nowhere NPC they can't defeat whatever they do, that can only breaks your group.Also one thing that DM don't use enough is the cleric dependance on adhering to his God code of conduct. If you feel that the cleric isn't following it next morning he might not get his high level spell or worse none at all.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DarkMaster, post: 2633728, member: 16362"] Option 2 is the best way to loose your player. (One thing for sure you would loose me). If you absolutly want to remove the item. Just talk about it out-of-character and rectify the situation, giving your arguments and letting the player give theirs. The game is not a DM vs player game (as you demonstrated in your example the DM can always win so where would be the fun.). If you absolutly wants to remove them within the game at least give your player a chance to defend themselves and perhaps earn the items by defeating the challenges but never pit them against some powerfull out-of-nowhere NPC they can't defeat whatever they do, that can only breaks your group. Also one thing that DM don't use enough is the cleric dependance on adhering to his God code of conduct. If you feel that the cleric isn't following it next morning he might not get his high level spell or worse none at all. [/QUOTE]

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