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Message: <blockquote data-quote="MrMyth" data-source="post: 5733076" data-attributes="member: 61155">Also, to directly respond to a few statements:   Don't exceptions to the general rule have to actually make it clear they are exceptions? All of the problematic powers I listed don't indicate any such thing. Are we supposed to assume they are exceptions because it would otherwise be problematic? Does any interpretation of the rules, which requires the players to blindly guess whether that rule should apply, really sound like a good idea? Especially when we have an alternate interpretation that requires no guess-work, and allows each power to operate precisely as written without a single problem?  The point is that it does not need to have an invisible effect. The only thing a power needs to be sustainable is to have a Sustain entry in the power. What happens when you sustain it? Whatever the Sustain entry tells you happens! Look, here are the two rules you are arguing:  "A power can only be sustained if an effect exists that it can make persist.""All effects created by a power are caused to persist when that power is sustained." Neither of these rules actually exists. You have added in these additional assumptions, and built your entire argument on top of them, but it is shaky ground. Those rules are never given to us, the existence of them causes significant issues with numerous existing powers, and it is even outright contradicted by how many powers are explicitly designed.</blockquote>

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