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<blockquote data-quote="5ekyu" data-source="post: 7852263" data-attributes="member: 6919838">Magic mouth sees a lot of use in our games. Feign and Script hardly ever they are rarely chosen except for specialized concepts.Contact plane is one of a slew of &quot; help from beyond&quot; that cut across many classes in tier-2. It's hot a lot of competition. But nobody is afaik arguing there arent less useful low vslue selective opportunity only spells - they are on every list. I do note they seem to have added divination to wizards, iirc in this UA. But as for sorc and warlock having as many avsilsble or ehstever, nope. At 10th level its gonna be 11 known for sorc vs likely 15 prepared and maybe at least a half dozen to a dozen rituals spellbookery. With the rest-swap for wizards not bring level locked and having a minimum of 2 dozen in his spell books that he chose free - in our games that has been seen as big. Obviously, the scribe gains will vary by campaign. I tend to assume none in my estimates or &quot;one additional found spell of B-list caliber each character level&quot; when I want to be generous. Again, based on the assumptions and arguments presented, the foundations for the concern, it's pushing me more to not worry about the impact sprll versatility will have in my games or games played in our style. For that, they were very helpful.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="5ekyu, post: 7852263, member: 6919838"] Magic mouth sees a lot of use in our games. Feign and Script hardly ever they are rarely chosen except for specialized concepts. Contact plane is one of a slew of " help from beyond" that cut across many classes in tier-2. It's hot a lot of competition. But nobody is afaik arguing there arent less useful low vslue selective opportunity only spells - they are on every list. I do note they seem to have added divination to wizards, iirc in this UA. But as for sorc and warlock having as many avsilsble or ehstever, nope. At 10th level its gonna be 11 known for sorc vs likely 15 prepared and maybe at least a half dozen to a dozen rituals spellbookery. With the rest-swap for wizards not bring level locked [I]and[/I] having a minimum of 2 dozen in his spell books that he chose free - in our games that has been seen as big. Obviously, the scribe gains will vary by campaign. I tend to assume none in my estimates or "one additional found spell of B-list caliber each character level" when I want to be generous. Again, based on the assumptions and arguments presented, the foundations for the concern, it's pushing me more to not worry about the impact sprll versatility will have in my games or games played in our style. For that, they were very helpful. [/QUOTE]

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