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<blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 7852633" data-attributes="member: 93670">It's absurd to deny that a SAD charisma based class like sorcerer or warlock is not generally going to be a better party face than a wizard &amp; aside from another warlock or sorcerer it's generally only a somewhat more MAD bard or much more MAD&nbsp; paladin who might challenge them there if built to.&nbsp; The fact that there are no social skills on the wizard skill proficiency options it beggars belief that you might think a wizard would be the party face.&nbsp; A class should play to its strengths &amp; like it or not, blasting &amp; being a face are two of the sorcerer/warlock/scorlock strengthsGiven all the ways that sorcerer &amp; warlock can add charisma to damage it borders on ludicrous to suggest that blasting is not one of the roles that they excel at.&nbsp; I think we ca both agree that the celestial warlock &amp; divine soul are extremely unusual archtypes that fall well&nbsp; outside the realm of this discussion about how the UA stuff affects wizards.&nbsp; I can see how you might misinterpret the phrase &quot;rewrite reality&quot;, but really &amp; truly anyone posting to this thread should know the <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IeOXWvbkmQ3nEyM2P3lS8TU4rsK6QJP0oH7HE_v67QY/edit" target="_blank">reference</a> &amp; as a result the kinds of things it covers.... Perhaps you'd be happier if I had said something like &quot;controller of reality&quot; or &quot;control reality&quot;, but we are well past the border of silly&nbsp; suggesting that sorcerer &amp; warlock strengths should be ignored.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="tetrasodium, post: 7852633, member: 93670"] It's absurd to deny that a SAD charisma based class like sorcerer or warlock is not generally going to be a better party face than a wizard & aside from another warlock or sorcerer it's generally only a somewhat more MAD bard or much more MAD paladin who might challenge them there if built to. The fact that there are no social skills on the wizard skill proficiency options it beggars belief that you might think a wizard would be the party face. A class should play to its strengths & like it or not, blasting & being a face are two of the sorcerer/warlock/scorlock strengths Given all the ways that sorcerer & warlock can add charisma to damage it borders on ludicrous to suggest that blasting is not one of the roles that they excel at. I think we ca both agree that the celestial warlock & divine soul are extremely unusual archtypes that fall [I]well[/I] outside the realm of this discussion about how the UA stuff affects wizards. I can see how you might misinterpret the phrase "rewrite reality", but really & truly anyone posting to this thread should know the [URL='https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IeOXWvbkmQ3nEyM2P3lS8TU4rsK6QJP0oH7HE_v67QY/edit']reference[/URL] & as a result the kinds of things it covers.... Perhaps you'd be happier if I had said something like "controller of reality" or "control reality", but we are well past the border of silly suggesting that sorcerer & warlock strengths should be ignored. [/QUOTE]

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