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<blockquote data-quote="5ekyu" data-source="post: 7852689" data-attributes="member: 6919838">Ok so see tho, I have to respond with &quot;so what&quot;?Really, so whst?I mean, the clerics sndcdruids have their whole lists, can swap out from any level to any level all per rest etc and whrn it comes to oddball weird spells have plenty of choices for &quot; I got a spell that works too&quot;... and yet for now what, 5 years or so, we have not seen sky is falling &quot;but sometimes the cleric has the spell and the wizard doesnt&quot; crisis threads.Comparing that to the sorcerer needing to swap out one of his top 11 spells (at level 10 he has only 11 top spells) limited to one of that same level is a lot more restrictive than a cleric swappingnout one of his est 15 prepped of his est 25 total (10 sub-class.)Between a cleric or druid or any of the other many class features, the current right now and &quot;as seen in actual play&quot; over years of play so far number of times and cases where &quot;we need this one solution and it happens to be a wizard spell&quot; vs the cases where &quot;one solution is a wizard spell but we also have &quot; is not a problem or gonna be pushed over the edge by sorcs and warlocks and bards getting this new swap. To me, it's not a trauma causing hit to the wizard, it's a recognition that these other casters were too restrictive in being so completely cut out of the &quot;adaptive spellcaster&quot; by the one at level only plus few known double whammy.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="5ekyu, post: 7852689, member: 6919838"] Ok so see tho, I have to respond with "so what"? Really, so whst? I mean, the clerics sndcdruids have their whole lists, can swap out from any level to any level all per rest etc and whrn it comes to oddball weird spells have plenty of choices for " I got a spell that works too"... and yet for now what, 5 years or so, we have not seen sky is falling "but sometimes the cleric has the spell and the wizard doesnt" crisis threads. Comparing that to the sorcerer needing to swap out one of his top 11 spells (at level 10 he has only 11 top spells) limited to one of that same level is a lot more restrictive than a cleric swappingnout one of his est 15 prepped of his est 25 total (10 sub-class.) Between a cleric or druid or any of the other many class features, the current right now and "as seen in actual play" over years of play so far number of times and cases where "we need this one solution and it happens to be a wizard spell" vs the cases where "one solution is a wizard spell but we also have " is [I]not[/I] a problem or gonna be pushed over the edge by sorcs and warlocks and bards getting this new swap. To me, it's not a trauma causing hit to the wizard, it's a recognition that these other casters were too restrictive in being so completely cut out of the "adaptive spellcaster" by the one at level only plus few known double whammy. [/QUOTE]

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