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<blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 7855020" data-attributes="member: 93670"><p>=</p><p></p><p>it was 100gp/spell level (which doesn't even come close to the cost of buying scrolls in xge). The fact that wotc never included costs for copying from spellbooks (3,5 had em iirc) or buying/selling spellbooks other than a couple dmg artifacts is itself contributing to why there were initial concerns from people (more than myself, the OP of this thread & multiple people posted within it) about concerns of spell versatility infringing on wizards in bad ways The tools to help[ guide a gm are completely lacking unless they are confident enough to build an economy, draw from an old version with a<em> wildly </em>different economy, or simply substitute the price of spell scrolls anyone can use for spell books</p><p></p><p></p><p>A spell <em>book</em> is not a spell <em>scroll</em> & should not be priced at anything even similar. Since we have a price for selling a spell book in 3.5, the price of selling a cleric/druid/wizard scroll* was</p><p>12gp 5 sp, 25 gp, 150gp, 375gp, 700gp, 1,125gp, 1,1650gp, 2,275gp, 3,000gp, 3,825 for L0/cantrip, then 1st through 9th level spells</p><p></p><p>XgE only lists them up to 5th level spells & they bear massive differences in the 0/cantrip then 1st-5th. Numbers in (##) were the 3.5 equvalent</p><p>25gp(12gp5sp), 75gp(25gp), 150gp(150gp), 300gp(375gp), 500gp(700gp), 1,000gp</p><p>(1,125gp)</p><p>* prices changed based on class & I'm not reproducing the whole chart on dmg287 when only one column is needed. Again, the economy is too massively different in 5e from 3.5 to draw much meaning other than the fact that guidance for something important to only the wizard is <em>missing.</em></p><p></p><p></p><p>before I'm done, here's what 3.5 said about copying spells from a wizard </p><p></p><p>"In most cases, wizards charge a fee for the privilege of copying spells from their spellbooks. This fee is usually equal to the spell’s level × 50 gp, though many wizards jealously guard their higher-level spells and may charge much more, or even deny access to them altogether. Wizards friendly to one another often tradeaccess to equal-level spells from each other’s spellbooks at no cost."</p><p></p><p>and from a scroll or found spellbook or scroll (unless there's some rule I'm forgetting): </p><p>"Space in the Spellbook: A spell takes up one page of the spell-book per spell level, so a 2nd-level spell takes two pages, a 5th-level spell takes five pages, and so forth. Even a 0-level spell(cantrip) takes one page. A spellbook has one hundred pages.</p><p>Materials and Costs: Materials for writing the spell (specialquills, inks, and other supplies) cost 100 gp per page."</p><p></p><p>Since the 5e base pice is 50gp/spell level plus spell level & pages map 1:1 with the 3.5 cost to scribe being 100gp/level... the cost of copying from a wizard's spellbook would be at most 25 gp... but probably less due to gp value changes between editions.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="tetrasodium, post: 7855020, member: 93670"] = it was 100gp/spell level (which doesn't even come close to the cost of buying scrolls in xge). The fact that wotc never included costs for copying from spellbooks (3,5 had em iirc) or buying/selling spellbooks other than a couple dmg artifacts is itself contributing to why there were initial concerns from people (more than myself, the OP of this thread & multiple people posted within it) about concerns of spell versatility infringing on wizards in bad ways The tools to help[ guide a gm are completely lacking unless they are confident enough to build an economy, draw from an old version with a[I] wildly [/I]different economy, or simply substitute the price of spell scrolls anyone can use for spell books A spell [I]book[/I] is not a spell [I]scroll[/I] & should not be priced at anything even similar. Since we have a price for selling a spell book in 3.5, the price of selling a cleric/druid/wizard scroll* was 12gp 5 sp, 25 gp, 150gp, 375gp, 700gp, 1,125gp, 1,1650gp, 2,275gp, 3,000gp, 3,825 for L0/cantrip, then 1st through 9th level spells XgE only lists them up to 5th level spells & they bear massive differences in the 0/cantrip then 1st-5th. Numbers in (##) were the 3.5 equvalent 25gp(12gp5sp), 75gp(25gp), 150gp(150gp), 300gp(375gp), 500gp(700gp), 1,000gp (1,125gp) * prices changed based on class & I'm not reproducing the whole chart on dmg287 when only one column is needed. Again, the economy is too massively different in 5e from 3.5 to draw much meaning other than the fact that guidance for something important to only the wizard is [I]missing.[/I] before I'm done, here's what 3.5 said about copying spells from a wizard "In most cases, wizards charge a fee for the privilege of copying spells from their spellbooks. This fee is usually equal to the spell’s level × 50 gp, though many wizards jealously guard their higher-level spells and may charge much more, or even deny access to them altogether. Wizards friendly to one another often tradeaccess to equal-level spells from each other’s spellbooks at no cost." and from a scroll or found spellbook or scroll (unless there's some rule I'm forgetting): "Space in the Spellbook: A spell takes up one page of the spell-book per spell level, so a 2nd-level spell takes two pages, a 5th-level spell takes five pages, and so forth. Even a 0-level spell(cantrip) takes one page. A spellbook has one hundred pages. Materials and Costs: Materials for writing the spell (specialquills, inks, and other supplies) cost 100 gp per page." Since the 5e base pice is 50gp/spell level plus spell level & pages map 1:1 with the 3.5 cost to scribe being 100gp/level... the cost of copying from a wizard's spellbook would be at most 25 gp... but probably less due to gp value changes between editions. [/QUOTE]
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