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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 7855193" data-attributes="member: 6801228"><p>Tetrasodium, side note, you need to pay attention to who is posting what. dnd4vr did not attempt to calculate the price of a spellbook by using the price of scribing every spell in it. I did. </p><p></p><p>My username is Chaosmancer, doesn't even look the same. You confusing the two of us together is just muddying the waters here. </p><p></p><p>As to a wider point, I am incredibly confused here. </p><p></p><p>You claim WoTC has "at no point in the entirety of 5e given even a vague guideline" for the answer of how much a spellbook full of spells would cost. </p><p></p><p>Yet, we know how much they cost to make. </p><p>We know exactly how much it costs to scribe a spell from a spellbook into another spellbook. </p><p>We know how much casting a low level spell costs via hireling services.</p><p>We know about how much scrolls cost, and the fact that they are consumables reducing the price of that single spell. </p><p>We also know how spell scrolls and spellbooks work, mechanically, to give us an idea of how useful they are to different characters. </p><p>We even know how much a blank spellbook sells for (50 gp) from the equipment list.</p><p></p><p>So... isn't all of that counted as "vague guidelines" I mean, they tell us a longsword costs 15gp and that making a longsword requires expending half the value in goods to craft it, allowing it to be sold by a merchant at double the cost of making it. </p><p></p><p>I'm truly at a loss here, I know this is a tangent, but you seem to be refusing to acknowledge the wealth of data points we have, just tossing your hands up and bemoaning the fact that we can never know for certain because they never wrote down a specific pricing tool. </p><p></p><p>I would also like to know why you think my solution of calculating the cost of making a spellbook to approximate the sell value is not "even on the same planet as a reasonable answer". You, don't actually explain why it doesn't work, just declaring yourself right and myself wrong which doesn't help anybody. </p><p></p><p></p><p>And frankly, this entire side discussion started as a response to you declaring that because WoTC pre-written adventures only have spellbooks from the monster statblocks, and that you already have all of those spells as a wizard (I guess every wizard prepares the exact same few spells, who knew) that gaining a spellbook was entirely worthless and had zero value for the wizard. Yet, we can prove it doesn't have zero value, we can prove that those spellbooks, even if they contain no spells you would find useful, can be used to recoup the cost and maybe even allow for trade with other NPC wizards to get spells that you do want. </p><p></p><p>Is all of this DM dependent, yeah, it is. DMs handing out treasure at all is DM dependent, and how much of a thriving marketplace for spells and materials exists is DM dependent. But, if you are doing AL and pre-written adventures, that means you are in the Forgotten Realms, and that means that there are so many wizards and spellbooks on the open market that you can really go with the most permissive of assumptions for this stuff.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 7855193, member: 6801228"] Tetrasodium, side note, you need to pay attention to who is posting what. dnd4vr did not attempt to calculate the price of a spellbook by using the price of scribing every spell in it. I did. My username is Chaosmancer, doesn't even look the same. You confusing the two of us together is just muddying the waters here. As to a wider point, I am incredibly confused here. You claim WoTC has "at no point in the entirety of 5e given even a vague guideline" for the answer of how much a spellbook full of spells would cost. Yet, we know how much they cost to make. We know exactly how much it costs to scribe a spell from a spellbook into another spellbook. We know how much casting a low level spell costs via hireling services. We know about how much scrolls cost, and the fact that they are consumables reducing the price of that single spell. We also know how spell scrolls and spellbooks work, mechanically, to give us an idea of how useful they are to different characters. We even know how much a blank spellbook sells for (50 gp) from the equipment list. So... isn't all of that counted as "vague guidelines" I mean, they tell us a longsword costs 15gp and that making a longsword requires expending half the value in goods to craft it, allowing it to be sold by a merchant at double the cost of making it. I'm truly at a loss here, I know this is a tangent, but you seem to be refusing to acknowledge the wealth of data points we have, just tossing your hands up and bemoaning the fact that we can never know for certain because they never wrote down a specific pricing tool. I would also like to know why you think my solution of calculating the cost of making a spellbook to approximate the sell value is not "even on the same planet as a reasonable answer". You, don't actually explain why it doesn't work, just declaring yourself right and myself wrong which doesn't help anybody. And frankly, this entire side discussion started as a response to you declaring that because WoTC pre-written adventures only have spellbooks from the monster statblocks, and that you already have all of those spells as a wizard (I guess every wizard prepares the exact same few spells, who knew) that gaining a spellbook was entirely worthless and had zero value for the wizard. Yet, we can prove it doesn't have zero value, we can prove that those spellbooks, even if they contain no spells you would find useful, can be used to recoup the cost and maybe even allow for trade with other NPC wizards to get spells that you do want. Is all of this DM dependent, yeah, it is. DMs handing out treasure at all is DM dependent, and how much of a thriving marketplace for spells and materials exists is DM dependent. But, if you are doing AL and pre-written adventures, that means you are in the Forgotten Realms, and that means that there are so many wizards and spellbooks on the open market that you can really go with the most permissive of assumptions for this stuff. [/QUOTE]
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