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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 7855419" data-attributes="member: 6801228">Okay, first of all, I have no idea where you got the first spoiler. I've only been referencing the second spoiler from the PHB in the wizard section. So, if you think I have been using different material, you are wrong.Secondly, if they are so different why do they both list 50 gp per spell level? In fact, the 5e version is only harsher in that it didn't make it free to gain spells throughout adventuring.So, to reiterate. I am not confusing the two, because I am only using the source in the PHB for 5e, the edition we are dicussing. I never even played 3.5 (my assumption for your source since you keep brining 3.5 back into this discussion), so I will never be referencing those rules without explicitly calling them out.You are the one who brought up Archmages, when you said that published adventures said the spells in an aquired spell book either mentioned the Mage or Archmage statblocks. Archmage was just the bigger book, so it made more interesting numbers, since you were declaring both worthless.And, since I tend to run closer to 20 for most of my games, fighting a CR 12 individual would be about the mid-point.I would mourn for them (there are three of them) as well, but not for the reason you are thinking. The game is taking place in a post-magic apocalypse setting, and they were granted their powers by a goddess (a la Knights of Rayearth style) and so I've been letting them copy each other's spellbooks for free.So, each level they are gaining 6 spells. I also don't have many wizard enemies, since most people are just now figuring out magic exists, so they have not found any new spellbooks yet, but they aren't really complaining.le sighYou missed my point. My point was that just because you can point to a number of rules being on different pages of the book doesn't mean they aren't meant to go together. I used the example I did for a reason, because while they did repeat those parts, each page I mentioned was where the rules could be found, all over the book.</blockquote>

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