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<blockquote data-quote="(Psi)SeveredHead" data-source="post: 6318834" data-attributes="member: 1165">Just a few. Many (most?) dailies deal damage on a miss. The at-will power Reaping Strike (or Reaping Stance for Essentials knights) does damage on a miss, although only a little. There's a slayer (or maybe knight) paragon-level utility encounter power that lets you deal a little damage on a miss. DoaM is pretty rare in 4e. The knight's counterattack also does a little damage on a miss.In 4e, for the at-will powers with DoaM, it's Strength bonus to damage (sometimes only half this) on a miss. For daily powers, it's usually half damage on a miss, but often less if there's ongoing damage involved, usually half the damage and no ongoing damage. (Flame Strike is pretty unique for this. It deals ongoing damage to all targets, as well as damage on a hit.)The number of people who really hate on this is really low, but they are very loud. It's not a big part of D&amp;D Next. There were quite a few people who didn't like 4e, but I'm sure the number of people who dropped it due to Reaping Strike is zero.Damage on a miss isn't any more or less realistic than hit points or many other aspects of D&amp;D, including quite a few that have persisted across the editions.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="(Psi)SeveredHead, post: 6318834, member: 1165"] Just a few. Many (most?) dailies deal damage on a miss. The at-will power Reaping Strike (or Reaping Stance for Essentials knights) does damage on a miss, although only a little. There's a slayer (or maybe knight) paragon-level utility encounter power that lets you deal a little damage on a miss. DoaM is pretty rare in 4e. The knight's counterattack also does a little damage on a miss. In 4e, for the at-will powers with DoaM, it's Strength bonus to damage (sometimes only half this) on a miss. For daily powers, it's usually half damage on a miss, but often less if there's ongoing damage involved, usually half the damage and no ongoing damage. (Flame Strike is pretty unique for this. It deals ongoing damage to all targets, as well as damage on a hit.) The number of people who really hate on this is really low, but they are very loud. It's not a big part of D&D Next. There were quite a few people who didn't like 4e, but I'm sure the number of people who dropped it [i]due to Reaping Strike[/i] is zero. Damage on a miss isn't any more or less realistic than hit points or many other aspects of D&D, including quite a few that have persisted across the editions. [/QUOTE]

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