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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DDNFan" data-source="post: 6318971" data-attributes="member: 6776483">A gunslinger archetype is not the same as a fighter fighting style, and we don't like guns in our D&D games anyway. Certainly not silliness like grit which I've seen banned at multiple tables I've played in over the years because it's too absurd. I can ignore guns in the same exact way that I can ignore the laser gun and plasma rifle sci-fi add on book that just came out which doesn't interest me or anyone I play with.I'm having a great time playing D&D Next actually. The main question is whether the final rules will be decent or sprinkled with crud. I don't like paying for stuff I consider crummy, I guess that makes me crazy around these parts. Go figure. I don't have unilateral power to tell my friends they can't continue to play this edition if there are things in it that I can't stomach, but if I cancelled my book orders they'd have to play at someone else's place. They are more than welcome to do that, but I host and I organize people to get together and if I start a Pathfinder game I know for sure that's what we would be playing instead, with either the exact same group, same campaign, same DM, or a different DM (possibly myself). I just have friends who are also open minded enough to not demand or even expect others to join a game containing rules they detest. I like the overall system a lot, there are just a few deal breaker things in there and I have a few lines I will not cross. This is one of them. I'll keep my own council as to how to spend my spare time. I rolled my eyes nearly to the back of my head during the last time I tried to tolerate these kinds of rules, and I'm simply not interested in doing that again.If you are, Morrus, that's fine by me. If you play games with rules you hate in them, be my guest. I'll go back to Pathfinder and ignore the bad stuff. I already own the Pathfinder books and am familiar with it both as a player and as a DM, and so are all the other gamers I play with. They all loved Pathfinder and hated 4th, and I don't ever remember any of us arguing over immersion breaking things that didn't make any sense to us as we did during our 4e games. Just not interested in doing that again, and certainly not paying Wizards again after claiming "one size does not fit all" then handing me a pair of children's pants and saying "don't like it? too bad for you". No, too bad for them. If I pulled out of this game after Basic D&D, Wizards would certainly lose several complete sets of book orders. I don't relish the notion of that, but if I have to houserule the game just to play it, and we're set on playing it in the end, at best we might play it with PDFs but I'm certainly not paying for the books myself. I'm tired of buying half-baked products that are shoved out the door.</blockquote>

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