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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DDNFan" data-source="post: 6319267" data-attributes="member: 6776483">I'm not willing to houserule such a serious deviation of what I expect D&D to look like, and still be expected to pay for it at the same time. I did that before, and vowed to not do it again.The main question here is whether Wizards wants to exclude fans of classic D&D where fighters can miss sometimes, from playing even the basic game without houserules.Second Wind was sort of the first shot across the bow. We thought we had won the Second Wind debate back when they modified it to use Temp HP, then they reverted that change and now here we are, a week before Basic D&D launches still without a solid response from Wizards about which way they decided to go. The cynic in me thinks this is just to coerce people into playing the game due to hype. If I had known Damage on a Miss were definitely in the game a year ago, I wouldn't have started a D&D Next game at all. Instead, I found out they removed it in later private playtests but the point is that this type of change shouldn't be kept in the dark, they are being very opaque here and that's what's bothersome. The last comment on this issue from an official lead was a tongue in cheek, backhanded joke that could easily be interpreted as mocking of the classic D&D playstyle, so I'm very skeptical about their final intentions. No, I'm not willing to pay for a product where they insult their audience like that, on either side. If they removed damage on a miss I would still want them to be polite and diplomatic about it, politeness and respect doesn't cost anything.Their complete lack of transparency here strikes me as dishonest. I'm not paying for a company to lie to me. Tell us if there are these types of nonsense rules all over the place in the new D&D, Wizards! There are plenty of older editions for us to keep playing if you chose poorly.I'd rather open up my Pathfinder books and deal with all the 3rd edition issues than deal with a whole set of other issues, including ones which are far more annoying to me than anything ever was in 3rd edition era. I've never been more annoyed at a game rule than with this one, and since I already own many Pathfinder books and enjoyed that system, that's where I'll have to turn to if Damage on a Miss is in 5th edition.</blockquote>

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