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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 6336520" data-attributes="member: 996">The 5e definition of hps - like all prior eds of D&amp;D - includes a lot of possible non-physical sources of hps.While a 'miss' (failure to make contact &amp; penetrate armor) might well do even a tiny amount of meat damage in spite of the armor, the existence of non-physical hps leaves plenty of room for a miss to do a small amount of (likely) non-physical damage.So there's no contradiction, and it's not a bad rule by that criteria.&nbsp; Only if you insist that /all/ hps are meat, all the time, in all circumstances, no exceptions, is there any possible problem with DoaM - and the problems with PCs gaining hps as they level would positively overwhelm them.&nbsp;Well, D&amp;D has never had all-non-physical hps (well, except for non-corporeal creatures, I guess).&nbsp;&nbsp; And it still doesn't.&nbsp; And DoaM doesn't imply it does.&nbsp; So, you've clearly got no problem with DoaM.&nbsp; And, it's interesting you mention poison, because the 1e DMG gives an example, under a Gygaxian treatise explaining the rationale of the poison save, of attacks doing no physical damage /on a hit/.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 6336520, member: 996"] The 5e definition of hps - like all prior eds of D&D - includes a lot of possible non-physical sources of hps. While a 'miss' (failure to make contact & penetrate armor) might well do even a tiny amount of meat damage in spite of the armor, the existence of non-physical hps leaves plenty of room for a miss to do a small amount of (likely) non-physical damage. So there's no contradiction, and it's not a bad rule by that criteria. Only if you insist that /all/ hps are meat, all the time, in all circumstances, no exceptions, is there any possible problem with DoaM - and the problems with PCs gaining hps as they level would positively overwhelm them. Well, D&D has never had all-non-physical hps (well, except for non-corporeal creatures, I guess). And it still doesn't. And DoaM doesn't imply it does. So, you've clearly got no problem with DoaM. And, it's interesting you mention poison, because the 1e DMG gives an example, under a Gygaxian treatise explaining the rationale of the poison save, of attacks doing no physical damage /on a hit/. [/QUOTE]

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