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<blockquote data-quote="Tovec" data-source="post: 6339133" data-attributes="member: 95493">I don't know why people keep insisting that because we believe that HP relates to meat that we must fully buy into death spirals. I'll come out and say it I'm 100% okay with going from 'still standing, not big deal' to 'help me I'm almost dead.' That is because I HATE death spirals. I find it unfun. If that is your same objection to disliking HP as meat that is fine but let's not pretend that it has anything to do with the in-world explanation. DoaM is poorly written, poorly balanced, poorly explained, poorly related to HP and AC. None of these issues are cleared up by liking DoaM. Liking it is completely sideways to the point and as far as I'm seeing that is the brunt of what you are giving me.As I have repeatedly pointed out. I consider HP to require magic to heal and a good solid blow to remove. If you are okay with inspirational words (non-magic) altering the HP value then that is great. But your preference isn't going to impact me one way or another. Simply put all I've seen from you evileeyore is opinion and not fact.And yet that isn't really what DoaM is modeling. If it were then more archetypes would have it. I believe that is probably what sneak attack is primarily based on. Certainly most precision damage. No, DoaM has been described as a &quot;blow so brutal that--&quot; and that explanation does not fly with me. It is false on the face of what they are saying to be true. No one else works that way. Dragons can smack you across the room - IF they hit. If they don't then surprisingly a 12000lb dragon doesn't deal secondary damage in he terms of his STR mod.It is okay with wanting to model things differently but this is inconsistent.Either way, evileeyore, I too am tired of your &quot;obtuseness&quot; and shall have to be blocking you following this reply.ps. Tony, you've been blocked since years back - my first on this forum - so I have no idea what you're saying.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Tovec, post: 6339133, member: 95493"] I don't know why people keep insisting that because we believe that HP relates to meat that we must fully buy into death spirals. I'll come out and say it I'm 100% okay with going from 'still standing, not big deal' to 'help me I'm almost dead.' That is because I HATE death spirals. I find it unfun. If that is your same objection to disliking HP as meat that is fine but let's not pretend that it has anything to do with the in-world explanation. DoaM is poorly written, poorly balanced, poorly explained, poorly related to HP and AC. None of these issues are cleared up by liking DoaM. Liking it is completely sideways to the point and as far as I'm seeing that is the brunt of what you are giving me. As I have repeatedly pointed out. I consider HP to require magic to heal and a good solid blow to remove. If you are okay with inspirational words (non-magic) altering the HP value then that is great. But your preference isn't going to impact me one way or another. Simply put all I've seen from you evileeyore is opinion and not fact. And yet that isn't really what DoaM is modeling. If it were then more archetypes would have it. I believe that is probably what sneak attack is primarily based on. Certainly most precision damage. No, DoaM has been described as a "blow so brutal that--" and that explanation does not fly with me. It is false on the face of what they are saying to be true. No one else works that way. Dragons can smack you across the room - IF they hit. If they don't then surprisingly a 12000lb dragon doesn't deal secondary damage in he terms of his STR mod. It is okay with wanting to model things differently but this is inconsistent. Either way, evileeyore, I too am tired of your "obtuseness" and shall have to be blocking you following this reply. ps. Tony, you've been blocked since years back - my first on this forum - so I have no idea what you're saying. [/QUOTE]

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