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Message: <blockquote data-quote="delericho" data-source="post: 6127142" data-attributes="member: 22424">That's absurd. So, the PC is able to pack exactly those items at a weight discount, but if they choose to omit items it suddenly becomes impossible? What happens when they use some of the rations?As knottyprof says, far better to offer an adjustment for "efficient packing". Of course, then you have to have a rule to decide whether the PC has managed to pack efficiently or not.When I first saw the Adventurer's Kit in 4e (which probably wasn't the first time they existed, just the first time I saw them), my initial response was "about time". However, I've since concluded that they're actually a bad thing.Here's the thing: either it matters exactly what the PCs are carrying, or it does not. If it matters, then there's no place for a pre-chosen kit - the PCs are going to have to bypass it to make sure they're choosing exactly the right equipment.If it doesn't matter exactly what kit the PCs have then there still isn't a place for these kits (and, especially, multiple such kits to choose from) - just charge each PC 30gp and 20lbs, and assume that they have what they need.Introducing pre-chosen kits introduces a nasty halfway house, where PCs are encouraged to gloss over what equipment they have... right up to the point where the DM asks them if they have some specific item in a life-or-death situation. And that's not a good thing.Ideally, groups should discuss their expectations up-front - either micromanage equipment or don't. But decide before the PCs are reliant on having just the right item in their bag of holding.</blockquote>

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