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<blockquote data-quote="Virago" data-source="post: 102830" data-attributes="member: 2045">Monk WonksTo be blunt, what you see in the movies is NOT the only determinant of the traditional concept of the oriental monk.Honestly, I lump your arguments in with people who read the Nordic Sagas and make conclusions about how the Barbarian must work in D&amp;D.That's great information, but your specialized knowledge doesn't really apply to the grand archetype.&nbsp; And in this case the &quot;kung fu&quot; monk is a well-established archetype.&nbsp; If you think that shields are part of the D&amp;D monk archetype's repertoire, you're probably just blinded by your superior knowledge.&nbsp; Which doesn't apply in this case, to be blunt.You missed the point of my argument which is that shields are way down the list of items that D&amp;D monks can't use but probably should be able to, and far less questionably than the core rules 3E shields.&quot;Some quite lesser-known forms of martial arts involve the use of little shields or gauntlet/buckler things&quot; is a weak, weak argument for &quot;monks in D&amp;D core rules should be able to use medieval-style shields.&quot;&nbsp; Make up stats for a rattan shield and your buckler gauntlets and work them into your house rule projects where monks actually have proficiency to use them, too.Forget shields.&nbsp; Which obscure martial art is going to give me Timeless Body and Tongue of the Sun and Moon, that's what I want to know <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Virago, post: 102830, member: 2045"] [b]Monk Wonks[/b] [b]To be blunt, what you see in the movies is NOT the only determinant of the traditional concept of the oriental monk.[/b] Honestly, I lump your arguments in with people who read the Nordic Sagas and make conclusions about how the Barbarian [i]must[/i] work in D&D. That's great information, but your specialized knowledge doesn't really apply to the grand archetype. And in this case the "kung fu" monk is a well-established archetype. If you think that shields are part of the D&D monk archetype's repertoire, you're probably just blinded by your superior knowledge. Which doesn't apply in this case, to be blunt. You missed the point of my argument which is that shields are [b]way[/b] down the list of items that D&D monks can't use but probably should be able to, and far less questionably than the core rules 3E shields. "Some quite lesser-known forms of martial arts involve the use of little shields or gauntlet/buckler things" is a weak, weak argument for "monks in D&D core rules should be able to use medieval-style shields." Make up stats for a rattan shield and your buckler gauntlets and work them into your house rule projects where monks actually have proficiency to use them, too. Forget shields. Which obscure martial art is going to give me Timeless Body and Tongue of the Sun and Moon, that's what I want to know :) [/QUOTE]

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