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<blockquote data-quote="Artoomis" data-source="post: 103330" data-attributes="member: 111">We've been through this, let's not going through it again here.&nbsp; You and Caliban think the rules are clear that shields = armor.&nbsp; I and some others disagree.&nbsp; You guys use the armor chapter to justify your position, I use that, too, and the rest of the book as well.&nbsp; Both positions have their strengths and weaknesses, leaving the rule ambiguous.A Sage ruling does not in any way change that.&nbsp; An errata stating that:&quot;When wearing armor or using a shield, a monk loses her AC bonus for Wisdom...&quot;instead of:&quot;When wearing armor, a monk loses her AC bonus for Wisdom&quot;would eliminate the ambiguity.&nbsp; To tell you the truth, it's only because the Sage ruled against me and that you and Caliban think the rules are against me that it's included in the guide.&nbsp; I think the rules are clear and armor does not include a shield except where noted.Anyway - let's not have that debate again.&nbsp; If you see something in the guide that does not fairly and accurately represent your side of this argument, let me know so I can fix it.&nbsp; I'd prefer something I could just cut and paste in for your side of the arguent if you want me to include it - this is getting to be a lot of work and anything to make it easier is greatly appreciated.I know the Monk with Shield thing really bothers you, especially since &quot;My Best Advice&quot; is against you, Caliban and the Sage.&nbsp; &nbsp; Nonetheless, it is MY best advice, and I am making sure your side of the argument is included.&nbsp; I do not hide that the Sage is gainst me, either.&nbsp; So folks are free to make their own choice.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Artoomis, post: 103330, member: 111"] We've been through this, let's not going through it again here. You and Caliban think the rules are clear that shields = armor. I and some others disagree. You guys use the armor chapter to justify your position, I use that, too, and the rest of the book as well. Both positions have their strengths and weaknesses, leaving the rule ambiguous. A Sage ruling does not in any way change that. An errata stating that: "When wearing armor [b][i]or using a shield[/i][/b][i][/i], a monk loses her AC bonus for Wisdom..." instead of: "When wearing armor, a monk loses her AC bonus for Wisdom" would eliminate the ambiguity. To tell you the truth, it's only because the Sage ruled against me and that you and Caliban think the rules are against me that it's included in the guide. I think the rules are clear and armor does not include a shield except where noted. Anyway - let's not have that debate again. If you see something in the guide that does not fairly and accurately represent your side of this argument, let me know so I can fix it. I'd prefer something I could just cut and paste in for your side of the arguent if you want me to include it - this is getting to be a lot of work and anything to make it easier is greatly appreciated. I know the Monk with Shield thing really bothers you, especially since "My Best Advice" is against you, Caliban and the Sage. Nonetheless, it is MY best advice, and I am making sure your side of the argument is included. I do not hide that the Sage is gainst me, either. So folks are free to make their own choice. [/QUOTE]

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