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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 103433" data-attributes="member: 2011">Actually, I had no clue how the Sage ruled. I based my opinion solely on the rules in the PHB.The point is that you imply with your list that it is ambiguous.Evidently, it is for you.But, who else thinks that after our lengthy discussion on it?The difference between you and me is that when someone shows me clear cut evidence in the core rules, I say &quot;Guess what? You were right. I was wrong.&quot;Case in point: Haste and the 5’ step.Once I understood your point, even though as a set of rules it was obscure, I said that although there could be a different interpretation, this interpretation is the strongest one.So, to me, Haste and the 5’ step although obscure, is solved. It is not ambiguous, it is just obscure. It really should not be in the list either except as an example of obscure rules that appear to be ambiguous due to their obscurity.But, a Monk with a Shield is neither ambiguous, nor obscure.I personally think you WANT Monks to be allowed shields so badly that you are totally ignoring all of the rules to the contrary and focusing totally on areas of the PHB where Shields are discussed not in the context of Armor. Personally, I do not think that makes you right. I think it makes you biased.Your list. Your choice. It’s just a totally non-objective one. IMO.To me, ambiguous rules must by default have a clear cut set of rules to back them up both ways. A Monk with a Shield does not. Not even close. YMMV.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 103433, member: 2011"] Actually, I had no clue how the Sage ruled. I based my opinion solely on the rules in the PHB. The point is that you imply with your list that it is ambiguous. Evidently, it is for you. But, who else thinks that after our lengthy discussion on it? The difference between you and me is that when someone shows me clear cut evidence in the core rules, I say "Guess what? You were right. I was wrong." Case in point: Haste and the 5’ step. Once I understood your point, even though as a set of rules it was obscure, I said that although there could be a different interpretation, this interpretation is the strongest one. So, to me, Haste and the 5’ step although obscure, is solved. It is not ambiguous, it is just obscure. It really should not be in the list either except as an example of obscure rules that appear to be ambiguous due to their obscurity. But, a Monk with a Shield is neither ambiguous, nor obscure. I personally think you WANT Monks to be allowed shields so badly that you are totally ignoring all of the rules to the contrary and focusing totally on areas of the PHB where Shields are discussed not in the context of Armor. Personally, I do not think that makes you right. I think it makes you biased. Your list. Your choice. It’s just a totally non-objective one. IMO. To me, ambiguous rules must by default have a clear cut set of rules to back them up both ways. A Monk with a Shield does not. Not even close. YMMV. [/QUOTE]

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