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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 105847" data-attributes="member: 2011"><p>There are a few rules which form a contradiction for the more than one 5' step per round question. They consist of the definition of a 5-foot step and the AoO rules and the fact that you could avoid more than one AoO by doing two 5-foot steps.</p><p></p><p>If you choose to ignore these because one of them comes from the glossary, that's your choice. Unfortunately, that is the only good overall definition of what a 5-foot step is. Everything else talks about a 5-foot step with relation to the topic at hand (e.g. taking a 5 foot step if an MEA does not involve movement).</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Agreed. However:</p><p></p><p>"If your entire move for the round is 5 feet (a 5-foot step), </p><p>enemies do not get attacks of opportunity for you moving."</p><p></p><p>and</p><p></p><p>"5 foot step: This movement does not provoke an AoO"</p><p></p><p>logically implies that if you move more than 5 feet in a round, you WILL provoke an AoO from the second 5 foot movement that you made if it too is in a threatened space. Correct?</p><p></p><p>Nowhere in the game can you move through two threatened spaces in a round and not provoke a movement AoO from the second space unless you have some feat or skill that prevents it.</p><p></p><p>However, if you provoke an AoO with the second 5 foot movement, it cannot be a 5-foot step since it is provoking an AoO. 5-foot steps do not do that. Hence, the contraction.</p><p></p><p>If it is not a 5-foot step, but merely 5 foot of movement, it cannot be used with the partial action of haste due to the partial action rules. You can only use a 5-foot step with them, you cannot do 5 foot of normal movement with them and get an MEA, another move, or an action.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I cannot believe that I am agreeing with Artoomis on this (since I originally took the opposite opinion), but a contradiction in the rules is a contradiction. Either you ignore it and take the position that two 5-foot steps can be made, or you realize that the only one 5-foot step per round position does not have the contradiction.</p><p></p><p>Not only is one 5-foot step per round the intent as you pointed out, but one 5-foot step per round does not have this rules contradiction. The two 5-foot steps per round position does.</p><p></p><p>So, although obscure, it is fairly straightforward once understood.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 105847, member: 2011"] There are a few rules which form a contradiction for the more than one 5' step per round question. They consist of the definition of a 5-foot step and the AoO rules and the fact that you could avoid more than one AoO by doing two 5-foot steps. If you choose to ignore these because one of them comes from the glossary, that's your choice. Unfortunately, that is the only good overall definition of what a 5-foot step is. Everything else talks about a 5-foot step with relation to the topic at hand (e.g. taking a 5 foot step if an MEA does not involve movement). Agreed. However: "If your entire move for the round is 5 feet (a 5-foot step), enemies do not get attacks of opportunity for you moving." and "5 foot step: This movement does not provoke an AoO" logically implies that if you move more than 5 feet in a round, you WILL provoke an AoO from the second 5 foot movement that you made if it too is in a threatened space. Correct? Nowhere in the game can you move through two threatened spaces in a round and not provoke a movement AoO from the second space unless you have some feat or skill that prevents it. However, if you provoke an AoO with the second 5 foot movement, it cannot be a 5-foot step since it is provoking an AoO. 5-foot steps do not do that. Hence, the contraction. If it is not a 5-foot step, but merely 5 foot of movement, it cannot be used with the partial action of haste due to the partial action rules. You can only use a 5-foot step with them, you cannot do 5 foot of normal movement with them and get an MEA, another move, or an action. I cannot believe that I am agreeing with Artoomis on this (since I originally took the opposite opinion), but a contradiction in the rules is a contradiction. Either you ignore it and take the position that two 5-foot steps can be made, or you realize that the only one 5-foot step per round position does not have the contradiction. Not only is one 5-foot step per round the intent as you pointed out, but one 5-foot step per round does not have this rules contradiction. The two 5-foot steps per round position does. So, although obscure, it is fairly straightforward once understood. [/QUOTE]
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