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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Virago" data-source="post: 106536" data-attributes="member: 2045">IceBear on fly:As far as I can tell, the caster just thinks of the direction and speed he wants to go and then he goes that way.Then why the heck would wearing medium armor (but still being lightly encumbered) slow you down?  This indicates that we are not talking about Superman-style flight.  I imagine it as sort of air running or stepping.Pesonally, I don't think fly improves your walking speed or your wading speed, and so not your swimming speed.  It involves moving your body in a way that helps you fly.    I think it should give you movement "fly 90 (60 encumbered) (good)," and the reason this isn't stated in the PHB is because the movement type rules simply weren't written yet.I think it's absolutely certain that you will have to make Swim checks if you fly underwater, regardless.Another thing that I think is very important to the decision on fly, IMHO, is it's relationship with the 4th level spell freedom of movement, and the Sage's ruling on it in the FAQ.  FoM helps very little underwater, and that's a specific function of it!  I think however you rule on fly, it should not make freedom of movement pointless as an aid to moving underwater.</blockquote>