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Ultimate Magus Augmented Casting. Increased casting time?
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<blockquote data-quote="Gnosis" data-source="post: 5135559" data-attributes="member: 89082"><p><strong>I must have read it a different way...</strong></p><p></p><p>I was under the impression that the purpose of spending the spell slot is benificial for both casting classes (otherwise why is it in a dual progression prestige)...</p><p></p><p>So for a Wizard the benefit is instantly gaining a metamagic by sacrificing a Spontaneous spellslot (precluding you from having to memorize at a higher spell level)</p><p></p><p>And for a Beguiler/Sorcerer etc, the benefit is that you sacrifice a memorized spellslot to AVOID the normal time extension on metamagic application to spontaneous spells. (otherwise there would be no benefit whatsoever for using augmented casting to "augment" a spontaneous spell.)</p><p></p><p>Remember you cant do this all day long so its relatively expensive (only a few casts per day if you stack metamagics - Read below)</p><p></p><p>ALSO... Augmented casting DOES permit you to spend multiple spellslots for multiple metamagic applications to a Single spell. It only says that you cannot apply metamagic from spellslot sacrifice to a already memorized metamagic'd spell. It is clear to me this means you could spend one 2nd level and one 3rd level spontaneous to cast an Empowered AND Maximized spell. The cost to you is depleating your augmented casting pool and spending 3 spells simultaneously of course but well worth it in emergencies. Manipulating magic is what this prestige is all about guys. </p><p></p><p>Another way to look at it is that Augmented Casting gives you a SEPARATE way to Metamagic. IT stacks just like standard metamagic does. The limitation is that you cannot MIX the two methods of metamagic. You cannot spellslot sacrifice to bump or alter an already standard metamagic'd spell.</p><p></p><p>That means you cant for example use standard metamagic to get your Empowered Fireball from your spontaneous class (by delaying casting time) AND THEN ALSO spellslot sacrifice thorugh Aug. Casting to get your Heighten and Maximize. </p><p></p><p>You can however simultaneously add two or more metamagics to a spell from ether the standard metamagic tactic OR Augmented Casting.</p><p></p><p>In order to apply any of the limitations you guys are placing on Augmented Casting I would need to see specific reference to the Ability... it seems clear to me that you dont need to worry about Increased casting time OR limiting aug casting to one metamagic feat per spell (none of those limitations are in the description!).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Gnosis, post: 5135559, member: 89082"] [b]I must have read it a different way...[/b] I was under the impression that the purpose of spending the spell slot is benificial for both casting classes (otherwise why is it in a dual progression prestige)... So for a Wizard the benefit is instantly gaining a metamagic by sacrificing a Spontaneous spellslot (precluding you from having to memorize at a higher spell level) And for a Beguiler/Sorcerer etc, the benefit is that you sacrifice a memorized spellslot to AVOID the normal time extension on metamagic application to spontaneous spells. (otherwise there would be no benefit whatsoever for using augmented casting to "augment" a spontaneous spell.) Remember you cant do this all day long so its relatively expensive (only a few casts per day if you stack metamagics - Read below) ALSO... Augmented casting DOES permit you to spend multiple spellslots for multiple metamagic applications to a Single spell. It only says that you cannot apply metamagic from spellslot sacrifice to a already memorized metamagic'd spell. It is clear to me this means you could spend one 2nd level and one 3rd level spontaneous to cast an Empowered AND Maximized spell. The cost to you is depleating your augmented casting pool and spending 3 spells simultaneously of course but well worth it in emergencies. Manipulating magic is what this prestige is all about guys. Another way to look at it is that Augmented Casting gives you a SEPARATE way to Metamagic. IT stacks just like standard metamagic does. The limitation is that you cannot MIX the two methods of metamagic. You cannot spellslot sacrifice to bump or alter an already standard metamagic'd spell. That means you cant for example use standard metamagic to get your Empowered Fireball from your spontaneous class (by delaying casting time) AND THEN ALSO spellslot sacrifice thorugh Aug. Casting to get your Heighten and Maximize. You can however simultaneously add two or more metamagics to a spell from ether the standard metamagic tactic OR Augmented Casting. In order to apply any of the limitations you guys are placing on Augmented Casting I would need to see specific reference to the Ability... it seems clear to me that you dont need to worry about Increased casting time OR limiting aug casting to one metamagic feat per spell (none of those limitations are in the description!). [/QUOTE]
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