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Message: <blockquote data-quote="comrade raoul" data-source="post: 3018458" data-attributes="member: 554">So, basically, the idea is that divine metamagic works normally, but if you try to stack divine metamagic feats, there's a chance you might get dazed. (But since the DC depends on the levels you add, rather than the level of the spell you enhance, high-level clerics can stack metamagic feats fairly safely.)I'm totally in favor of the metacap, basically for reasons people already mentioned. I've been in games where characters used metamagic effects (like Heroic Metamagic, in an Eberron game) to cast more powerful spells than characters of that level ought to have been able to (like a 6th level wizard using three action points to maximize a fireball). The character wasn't overpowered, since she used a ton of precious action points to pull off the effect, but it meant that she could--once in a while--make what should've been very difficult encounters much easier, or let the party do things they shouldn't really have been able to do.And, FWIW, there are other pretty good reasons not to like divine metamagic. It's really a resource only available to clerics, and (of course) they're plenty powerful as it is. I wouldn't want to be in a game where clerics were not only impressive healers, and impressive fighters, but also able to pull off significantly more impressive spell effects than wizards or sorcerers could, too.Also remember what sort of resource turn attempts are. When they were originally designed--before anybody thought of divine feats--they were there to help the party in specialized circumstances (when undead were around). They weren't a general resource, like spell slots, stunning fist attempts, or uses of rage, that individual characters could use more or less at their discretion to make themselves more effective in given encounters: they provided a way for clerics to protect their friends from the Terrifying Undead Hordes. Often--if you don't really expect to run into undead, and you don't have a lot of different divine feats--you're not diverting a limited resource when you're using divine feats to power spells: you're just making something useful that wasn't, earlier. So using turn attempts to balance something that's useful all or most of the time can be really tricky.But, hey, if you think clerics need more loving, this is still an improvement over divine metamagic as it was originally implemented.</blockquote>

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